Backup of LOtR extended version

[jon_w]

(Yes I own a copy and keep it here at work, but I'd like to have a backup copy at home. )

Has anyone been able to rip the movie discs so they fit on one single layer DVD-R without re-encoding? I can't seem to get lower than 4.79gig per disc.

thanks
jon

[dickrichards2000]

In a word, no. Even at the bare minimum of movie-only and 1 audio track, no subtitles they still don't fit. sorry. I have seen the entire thing fit onto one DVD-R though that a friend of mine did, though when we put it on a TV over 19", or on the computer, it looked terrible.

[graysky]

Unless I'm missing something you cannot. You can however split it and get it on 2xsingle layer dvd-r discs.

[VidHack]

OK,
Just to let you know, I joined this forum just to answer this post. I have seen people struggle for advice on backing up/ ripping and when someone gives incorrect info it drives me crazy. I dont mean to offend anyone, I just feel the prior people didnt try all possibilities in backing up LOTR Extended. I have this DVD Legal, bought at wallmart $23.00. OK, this 2 disk set took me a week to figure out. I tried all the usual tricks. Start with stream ripping (IFOedit), OK, Here is the trick. Before you start anything. You are going to make 2 disks. 1 DVDr for the first disk and 1 DVDr for the second disk (With the credits cut). So, If you thought on ripping it down to a single disk, the other people ARE Correct, the quality will stink. OK, ready.... Use DVDdecryptor, make 2 folders, One to hold disk1 of the movie and the other to hold disk2. Now we have raw files to process down to 4.3g. Now stream rip these 2 movies down using IFOedit. When your done you will have movie 1 @ 4.7 and movie 2 @4.1GB so all you have to do is use Vstrip to cut up the end of disk1 to move it to the beginning of disk2. that way you can fit them both on just 2 disks. I set Vstrip to cut at 115Mb of the last chapt of disk1, it was inbetween a scene when the actors are at the "council of the elders" When no one was talking. This can be done. You should learn how to use DVD2AVI, open up the vobs, examine the vod/cell IDs. Then learn how to use vStrip and cut them up if needed. Then reauthor the project. LOTR was a real pain in the ars to get going, but if you want a movie only, single audio track backup, with the credits cut (actually I keep 5 sec of credits to keep the menu link correct and that way people dont complain- Is the movie over?) Any way ...Good Luck! A simpler solution is to just extract the last 3 chapters on disk1, ReMpeg them, remux them back into the original movie. A drop in quality is noticed though.

[jon_w]

Wow, great idea VidHack, thank you.

[mrhua]

... so all you have to do is use Vstrip to cut up the end of disk1 to move it to the beginning of disk2. that way you can fit them both on just 2 disks. I set Vstrip to cut at 115Mb of the last chapt of disk1, it was inbetween a scene when the actors are at the "council of the elders"

VidHack,

First of all, thanks for all the clear, concise posts you've made so far ..! I was wondering if you could do a mini (but detailed) guide on how to use vstrip for what you did in the LotR project. The command lines are confusing .. I'd be interested in seeing the commands for stripping out the last chapter and moving/adding it to the 2nd disk?

Thanks again!!

drHua

[graysky]

Why go through all that trouble? Just rip, split, fix, and burn. Who cares if it goes on two discs? I authored a guide detailing how to do this process and just happened to use Disc 1 of the movie you're talking about.

http://encoding.n3.net

[marvel2020]

Well i've done it

Rip the first DVD using DVD decrypter, Used DVD2SVCD with it set up for DVD encoding and the birate set at....

8500 Max
4500 Average
2000 Min

Used CCE 2.50 set at 4 pass vbr and the Number of Cd's to use set at 1 with a the Size 2048.

Audio was set at 348kbps 48hz


The Second DVD was done with the same settings.

After all encoding and multiplexing was done, i used TMPEGnc to Edt the first Mpeg2 file to cut out the the little bit of black screen at the end of it, then Joined the 2 parts together using TMPEGnc using the (MPEG 2 PROGRAMME VBR) option.

When all was done the total size was just a shade under 4GB, used Spruceup to author the DVD and used Prassi to burn it.

Quality is excellent even on a 28 ince widescreen TV.

The only think i didn't do was i forgot to rip the subtitles, as the subtiles are not hard encoded unto the Video .

Looks like i'll have to it all again.

But it is possible.

[VidHack]

OK,

Here we go, now a flamewar isnt intended here, but I think 'mrhua' and 'jon_w' want to rip the movie WITHOUT reEncoding. Thats the point of this thread. Sure, you can reEncode the whole movie, Heck, you can reEncode any movie to fit on a DVDr, but video quality WILL suffer. So, I believe the point of this is to get LOTR Ext. onto 2 DVD-r's with the best Quality possible, and Yes, we also could cut it into 4 DVD-r's using many other tools, and Apps, but again, lets attack this DVD with 1 goal in mind.

1. The HIGHEST VIDEO quality on 2 DVD-r's.

So, If that is the intent of the original questions, let me know, and I will give a detailed Post on how I did this, if not then use the other methods presented here, and enjoy.

VidHack

[mrhua]

Vidhack,

You are indeed correct. I am especially interested in learning just what vstrip can do for me, like "moving" the end of the movie on disk1 to the beginning of disk2, and in another case, use it to strip out extra angles and just preserve one angle.

I tend to do pretty good by "learning by example" so I'd love to see the actual command lines (or gui options) along with a short description/explaination of why that was used. That would be great...!

Thanks again for your posts and helpful attitude!

mrHua

[graysky]

I hope I don't offend anyone, but here goes: why reencode?

I can understand re-encoding to SVCD or the like, but doing so removes quality. Since you have a DVD burner, who cares about size? Just make a 1:1 copy and have the quality at 100%. There's nothing worse than watching a fast moving scene and having it look like sh*t.

[badassblazer]

i did a copy of the lotr ext movie, the one with the extra 30 minutes in it. i used dvd2dvdr and ifoedit, first making an iso with decryptor and mounting it with daemon. i used the second pgc in the vts_01, and did 2pass vbr. ac3 6ch, english normal subs, linear and zigzag checked. did both discs this way, made a two dics movie, movie/subs/chapters, (out of the four it came with) using only two dvdr's. i hope that this might help you. the first was 1:45, the second 2:03. it took 5 or 6 tries, i try one way, burn to rw, if it plays good i keep it, if not i start over. the first tries the picture was jerky all the way thru. but it is done, works great, plays great, sounds great, will not kill the originals in the car now. good luck.

[badassblazer]

one more thing, i play movies at home on panasonic 47" hdtv widescreen, plays great, backups play just as well as the originals.

[marvel2020]

graysky wrote....

hope I don't offend anyone, but here goes: why reencode?

I can understand re-encoding to SVCD or the like, but doing so removes quality. Since you have a DVD burner, who cares about size? Just make a 1:1 copy and have the quality at 100%. There's nothing worse than watching a fast moving scene and having it look like sh*t.

For the simple reason that i want the movie on 1 DVD-r, granted i bought the 4 Disc Extended version of the film and if want, i'll just watch it like that.

But rencoding it, and fitting it one 1 DVD-r with just the movie and chapters and subtitle's when i do it again is far better.

If your gonna do a 1-1 copy of it and used 2 DVD-r's then you might as well make a SVCD and spread it over 4 CDR's.

Let's face how many of you actually watch the special features over and over again, i guess there won't be many.

And another thing graysky i ain't making SVCD, read my post properly and you'll see i'm making a DVD, and let me tell you the qualilty is very close to the Original DVD and there are no shitty fast moving scene's.


Anyway i prefare it this way.


If all you gonna do is buy the DVD then make 1-1 copy onto 2 DVDr's then thats a total waste of time and you might as well just watch the original.

[VidHack]

mrhua,

I share your attitude, sometimes its the Journey itself is more rewarding then reaching your final destination. So, here we have many people in this forum all with a single quest, Backing up a DVD to DVDr. But yet, there are many ways to accomplish this task. For some its ReEncoding, for others its split it into 2 DVDrs, some want a "1" button solution, then there we are...enjoying the road less traveled, hacking the heck out of it.

Perhaps this forum should be Subdivided, into forums that suit YOUR particular tastes. But, as long as we share the same virtual space, lets all just get along and respect EACH others way of getting to thier destination.

So, mrhua, lace up your boots and lets start the journey....

Lets start messing with vStrip (With GUI), I beleive my version is 1.8f. Lets look at LOTR Ext. Then we can see how WE want to attack this pig.
(OK, just to let you know, I ripped this DVD 3 times, and had to alter my original post, some DVD players couldnt handle the second disk when it switched from Chapt28 to Chapt1. The timecode screwed up thier players, even though my Apex1500 played it perfectly. So, if you just want to play around with 'Learning' we can get going. I ended up having to Transcode 2 Chapters down on the second Disk (The reduction was to 4500 VBR and I'll be damed if I can see a difference in those 2 Chapters), but I retained the original menu on Disk1 and did absolutely NO ReEncoding on Disk 1. So, if this meets your needs let me know and we can start to, follow the yellow brick road.......

VidHack

[bacardi/avt]

Just wanted to say that I did a copy of LOTR extended edition that fit on one disk with one subtitle with almost no quality loss. I just reencoded the movie with CCE and built a new DVD from scratch using DVDMaestro.

A couple of my friends tried it on their 50 inch TV and compared it to the original, they couldn't see any differences.