Here's a DVD Rip sample clip - 2772kb size - (UPDATED)

[vhelp]

08.15.01
--------
* here is a short sample clip of a rip from "Moonraker"
I was having problems with some settings (still) and when I play
it on my apex ad-500 dvd player, it jitters/slow motion
However, maybe your standalone dvd player can handle it. If you
guys feel up to it, you can download and uncompress it and
burn in Nero. I used Nero 5.5.3.5 - I figured out the burn to Image thing.
After decompress, Just drag the .nrg file into Nero and select
File/Burn image... to CD. This clip is in MPEG1 format 480x480.
The filename pretty much exaplains all my settings in TMPGEnc 12a

Below, are my settings specs is TMPGEnc 12a:
--------------------------------------------
- 004 - aDVDrip - 0D-05
- mpeg1.480x480.4~3 525LN.2997.CQVBR.70.2379.100.VBV0.NQ
- FT=I.FO=EFL21st.4~3 525Ln(704x480).FS.DBF.[ ]32Puldwn
- [x]DSC - [x]DNuhpmvisc
- B=128kbts.mpg.rar

* Filesize is: 2,772kb
* LINK:
* -----
* http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/a0z012yaya/lst?.dir=/My+Documents/RIP+samples&.order=&.v...c=bc%26.view=l

* Any advise on why this is happening and how to overcome it, would be greatly
appreciated! (of course, assuming that your dvd player is producing the same
problems above) - Hopefully, I'll get better at this uploading stuff, and be
more organized and effeciant at sharing it here.
* Anyway comments/suggestions/criticisms are welcomed!
Thanks!!

MAIN FOLDERS:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/a0z012yaya/lst?&.dir=/My+Documents&.src=bc&.view=l
** Moonraker is in the "RIP samples" folder
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-08-20 00:21:59 ]</font>

[vhelp]

Ok, I noticed some problems.
The link seems to give off some erros..., so,
If you have problems downloading the file, I guess you'll
have to copy it (right click, copy link) and paste it
into your http box or "Go to:" box in your browswers.

Also, I have a problem with the filename when I upload it.
The name get trunked. So, again, please add an .rar to
as an extention and procceed to winRar it.

NOTE: I am testing this link to see if the download suceeds
and I will burn it to cd to see if everything works ok.

* Sorry for the inconvenience folks! I'm trying!!

[vhelp]

Ok, Success!!

* The downloading complete!
* The burn (I forget to re-select my cd burner)

Oh, and I forgot to mention that there is some audio sync problems, but
this, I think is because I DVD2AVI into a section and only encoded 5 minitues
to .d2v a file. So, this may be the reason for such a bad audio sync.

Well, I told you it was a short clip!!

I was only trying to point out my problem - that is, if your dvd player is
having the same problems as mine.

Well, hope to hear from ya soon!!
Thanks!

[vhelp]

Sorry, sorry, sorry people!!

I was sure that the link worked!

Anyway's, here's the new LINK, and I tested it myself!
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/a0z012yaya/lst?&.dir=/My+Documents&.src=bc&.view=l

Have an nice evening!!!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-08-20 00:18:35 ]</font>

[vhelp]

Well, hi all, ...it's rather late for me, but...

Finally figured out my (to some extent) jitters/motion
during dvd play problem after final encode/burn to disk.
And, encode quality is rather excellent to add !!!

Thanks to all those who gave their help when I needed it most!!
...wait a minute, there weren't any!! Oh, well!!
Anyway, I'm tired... it's after 3am. So, nighty, night!!!

MAIN FOLDERS:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/a0z012yaya/lst?&.dir=/My+Documents&.src=bc&.view=l
** SEE "RIP samples" folders for any short clips I rip (will post my new improved
** clips shortly) That is, if anyone really cares!

** 08-20-01 **
Just added a NEW (slightly) improved capture clip
of a promo of the new Star Trek show "Enterprise"
which Launches September 26th - Wednesdays in the
"Captures Samples" folder
NOTE: This clip was winRar'd into 5 pieces:
rar,r00,r01,r02 and r03.
After assembling them together into one file, drag
this file into Nero. It's an image file.
If there are any problems, let me know.
Hopefully, my upload will go smoothly while I sleep.
Should be there by 5am, so please wait till all 5 files
are uploaded. Thank you!!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: vhelp on 2001-08-20 01:04:08 ]</font>

[KingJohn]

Too many late nights I think. Just for the hell of it I downloaded one of your files, dont know what the heck it is. I unpacked it got a sort of mpeg which wont play in anything.

And did you say you wanted us to burn a disk with this ?



You are kidding right ?

[vhelp]

Well, this morming, i was surprised to see that there were NO files uploaded!!
I was pretty damn mad So, I'm here, painstakenly uploading them one file
at a time. It takes me roughly 10min. to upload a file, of 1,954kb size.
And so far, I had to re-upload 2 files this morning. But, ALL files have
ben uploaded successfully!! Later on, I'll try and upload some new RIP samples
that I've finally and successfully defeated (qualitywise). I'm assuming
that you people have the quality issue licked. But, I have never seen
anyone's sample! I've seen a few from this sites repository, (vcd, svcd, xsvcd),
and the quality was not as good as mine (i think), so I'm a little confused there.
Maybe this site should update and put some REAL quality sample Rips and Captures
that we can use as a referece? ...Baldrick?? Michael?? We need something
to use as a reference or guide! Sorry, but there's a lot of talk about best
quality and best encode, but we need to start seeing some proof of these great
encode's!! I went out of my way to find a site that I can post some sample
clips that you people can view and judge (and condem). How about some of you's
do the same thing. Lets all get together and help each other out!! I wana
start seeing you peoples results!! I wanna stat sticking my tongue out and
licking the floor with it while checking YOUR best encode.
Last week, I downloaded, what looked like the BEST svcd clip I have ever seen!!!!
My tongue was in agony!! Not to mention my left eye popped out!! he, he
Ok, the clip I download (which I did post) is what I'm going to use as a guide
or aim for best quality. I don't have this movie (DVD), but I'm going to go
out and get it, and do some test encodes to see if my encode template matches
the quality of this clip - I'll add this to my 80+ dvd collection. Getting close
to my 100th dvd. Oh, I got 3 new ones, "Basic Instinct", "Red Plannet" and
"The Magnificent Seven".

Oh, the site I use is Yahoo Briefcase - ITs FREEEEEEEEEEE! AND THEY OFFER
30mb FREE SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's the excuse (can't find a storage site),
then your excuse ends here!!!

Ok, now let me get back to my post:

letmeinforgodsake,

I'm sorry you and others got disapointed!

Yes, too many, many late nights. But, ain't that what we live for?
..Hmmm, that's funny, the mpg file (mpeg1 or mpeg2, can't remember, cause I
deleted off my hd by accident). But, it worked in BSplayre, powerdvd, even
the media player. I thought I downloaded it to see that everything worked!

Actually, I wasn't kidding, ...but I ment for cd-rw, NOT cd-r!!
I feel that if I sent as .mpg, people may not have the same
problem as myself (when they burn, if they even do burn it), I use
Nero, but there are many versions' of it, and also, there are various
other kinds of CD burner apps. And, yes, I wanted you to burn a
disk (CR-rw) so you can play it and see if you were getting the same
thing I was getting (jerky/slow motion, etc.)

My objective or aim, is to get the BEST quality and SMALLest size possible
for my VCDs and SVCDs. The most I want to burn, is a two CD pack, and I know
that 1 CD (for SVCD) is out of the question. And, that's rather difficult to
accomplish! The quality part, I think I have a better process, but could use
a bit more tweeking around before i finallize as best settings. But now for the
size part. For whatever life is left in me, I can't seem to get the same
settings for my svcd mpeg2 to work as mpeg1 (vcd). The sound skips like
crazy! But, the quality looks very good! I don't know why its fine as
an mpeg2, but not as an mpeg1 - anyway???

Be hearing from me again later!!

Thanks all!!

[vhelp]

Well, this morming, i was surprised to see that there were NO files uploaded!!
I was pretty damn mad So, I'm here, painstakenly uploading them one file
at a time. It takes me roughly 10min. to upload a file, of 1,954kb size.
And so far, I had to re-upload 2 files this morning. But, ALL files have
ben uploaded successfully!! Later on, I'll try and upload some new RIP samples
that I've finally and successfully defeated (qualitywise). I'm assuming
that you people have the quality issue licked. But, I have never seen
anyone's sample! I've seen a few from this sites repository, (vcd, svcd, xsvcd),
and the quality was not as good as mine (i think), so I'm a little confused there.
Maybe this site should update and put some REAL quality sample Rips and Captures
that we can use as a referece? ...Baldrick?? Michael?? We need something
to use as a reference or guide! Sorry, but there's a lot of talk about best
quality and best encode, but we need to start seeing some proof of these great
encode's!! I went out of my way to find a site that I can post some sample
clips that you people can view and judge (and condem). How about some of you's
do the same thing. Lets all get together and help each other out!! I wana
start seeing you peoples results!! I wanna stat sticking my tongue out and
licking the floor with it while checking YOUR best encode.
Last week, I downloaded, what looked like the BEST svcd clip I have ever seen!!!!
My tongue was in agony!! Not to mention my left eye popped out!! he, he
Ok, the clip I download (which I did post) is what I'm going to use as a guide
or aim for best quality. I don't have this movie (DVD), but I'm going to go
out and get it, and do some test encodes to see if my encode template matches
the quality of this clip - I'll add this to my 80+ dvd collection. Getting close
to my 100th dvd. Oh, I got 3 new ones, "Basic Instinct", "Red Plannet" and
"The Magnificent Seven".

Oh, the site I use is Yahoo Briefcase - ITs FREEEEEEEEEEE! AND THEY OFFER
30mb FREE SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's the excuse (can't find a storage site),
then your excuse ends here!!!

Ok, now let me get back to my post:

letmeinforgodsake,

I'm sorry you and others got disapointed!

Yes, too many, many late nights. But, ain't that what we live for?
..Hmmm, that's funny, the mpg file (mpeg1 or mpeg2, can't remember, cause I
deleted off my hd by accident). But, it worked in BSplayre, powerdvd, even
the media player. I thought I downloaded it to see that everything worked!

Actually, I wasn't kidding, ...but I ment for cd-rw, NOT cd-r!!
I feel that if I sent as .mpg, people may not have the same
problem as myself (when they burn, if they even do burn it), I use
Nero, but there are many versions' of it, and also, there are various
other kinds of CD burner apps. And, yes, I wanted you to burn a
disk (CR-rw) so you can play it and see if you were getting the same
thing I was getting (jerky/slow motion, etc.)

My objective or aim, is to get the BEST quality and SMALLest size possible
for my VCDs and SVCDs. The most I want to burn, is a two CD pack, and I know
that 1 CD (for SVCD) is out of the question. And, that's rather difficult to
accomplish! The quality part, I think I have a better process, but could use
a bit more tweeking around before i finallize as best settings. But now for the
size part. For whatever life is left in me, I can't seem to get the same
settings for my svcd mpeg2 to work as mpeg1 (vcd). The sound skips like
crazy! But, the quality looks very good! I don't know why its fine as
an mpeg2, but not as an mpeg1 - anyway???

Be hearing from me again later!!

Thanks all!!

PS: I got an idea or thought!! If anyone has a sugestion of a movie they like to
compare with their encoded version, please ask. I may have the movie, and would
love to give it a shot!! Just a short 30second clip that is. Not the whole movie.
Maybe there's a scene that you're having trouble with and just can't seem to get that
spot to look the way you want. Maybe my encode will look the same? or different?
I don't know! But, I'd like to give it a try, and I'll post it on my Briefcase.

[vhelp]

Baldrick,

...Sorry, but, I DID NOT REPOST THIS TWICE!
I guess you're still having problems with double posts.

[zed]

Looks like nobody is interested in what you have to say mate however I agree about what you said about us putting samples of our best work on a site and include the settings we used in the encoder etc to help each other out - anyone else out there agree? speak up guys!!

Zed

[vhelp]

Zed,

Thanks!!

And, yes, I can sure ramble, ha?

[Nelson37]

Sample and/or Reference files would be a TREMENDOUS help, if only to give a target.
My goals similar to yours, however I am primarily capturing video rather than ripping DVD. My Apex 500 would jitter if the bitrate was set to high, somewhere between 4000-6000.
I have AIW 128 pro, Duron 800, 512 MB RAM, 60G WD.
As I am both capturing and encoding, I have 2 areas where a
"near-perfect" reference file would tell me when I'm making an error, and when to just stop screwing with it cause it's
as good as it's gonna get. But I'm havin a ball!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Nelson37 on 2001-08-21 21:54:45 ]</font>

[KingJohn]

Hi

Well I "Leeched" your movie files

082001 - 005-0A-04.nrg I guess that's Nero, I don't have that installed.

Why do you need to name those files 082001+-+005-0a-04.rar.rar etc

Movie1.rar would be just as good don't you think, Winrar complained like mad for some reason.

Yahoo has a limit on the bandwidth, too many people downloading your movies will cause it to stop. I have also heard it adds extra code to compressed files.

Anyway I got them in 3 minuets, so not too bad, since I don't have Nero but consider this a challenge, I used an ISO buster to get out the mpeg file, then converted it back to a regular mpeg with VCD Gear.

Result, nothing... not recognized as anything on this planet... something about direct show filters.. I gave up

Oh PowerDVD almost played it, ever since he was a boy... Crash

No CDR-W

[vhelp]

>> Well I "Leeched" your movie files
Thank you! curious, which folder, "RIP samples" or "Captures..."


>> 082001 - 005-0A-04.nrg I guess that's Nero, I don't have that installed.
Yes, its Nero 5.5.3.5


>> Why do you need to name those files 082001+-+005-0a-04.rar.rar etc
YES!! I needed a way to keep some form of track of all these encoding tests
that I've been performing. Actually, it's the short version of my naming
convention. You see, all these encodes began to get out of hand. I couldn't
keep track of which one's were the better encode quality, what was the settings
I use on this one? ..that one?, etc. 2, 3, 10, 20, 80, 100, 200 encoding jobs later,
of these 30 to 60 sec tests encodes. . . I just couldn't keep up. I found
myself re-encoding a lot of clips. It was taking longer to arrive at some decent
quality comparisons. And, not to mention, staying up late each night, until I
finished all the encoding for that day, or evening. It was too much! So, I came
up with a solution. GET ORGANIZED!! LOG EVERYTHING ENCODING JOB!! So now, I use
a database to keep track of ALL my encodes. It's an ongoning event (the db). It's
very handy!! And it works, if you stick to the rule(s). And, no, it's not laborous.
Believe me, it's not. My longer version has the TMPGEnc settings.


>> Movie1.rar would be just as good don't you think, Winrar complained like mad for some reason.
Yes! But I have pretty good reaonson for using it (called organization).


>> Yahoo has a limit on the bandwidth, too many people downloading your movies will cause it to stop.
>> I have also heard it adds extra code to compressed files.
I didn't know this!! Do you have any suggestions for an alternat route to my uploading?

>> Anyway I got them in 3 minuets, so not too bad, since I don't have Nero but consider this a
>> challenge, I used an ISO buster to get out the mpeg file, then converted it back to a regular
>> mpeg with VCD Gear.
I was hoping that some of you's had a fast connection.
I did some reading on ISO buster stuff - confuse the hell out of me, so I gave up on that idea.
I have my doubts about this type of procedure to get an mpeg file out of an image. I have the
feeling that it's not the same mpg (bit for bit) file. This was my reason for putting it
into an Nero image. To keep the same quality or what-have-ya, about this mpg file intact witouut
any tanting what'so ever going on.
JFYI: I use a 13" color tv (to my left) for my final quality tests. I don't care about how it looks
on my pc monitor. The goal is your TV, hence VCD or SVCD's purpose.


>> Result, nothing... not recognized as anything on this planet... something about direct show
>> filters.. I gave up
Shit!! Ok, if this helps, the WinRAR version I'm using "WinRAR 2.90 beta 2" 40 day trial copy.
I don't know nothing about no direct show filters.


>> Oh PowerDVD almost played it, ever since he was a boy... Crash
Remember, the image is ment to be burned on cdrw and played in a standalone dvd play. I'm looking
to see what your opinion is on the final TV playback. In your opinion, do you think the quality
has ben met, or sucked, or what. That's all. I'm only interested in improving quality.

Ok, if you or anyone else have a suggestion, I'm listening.
Thank you for trying!

[KingJohn]

Hi,

It took a while to find my way back here, anyway sorry I don't have a CDR-W only a CDR, However the original mpeg you made would have been modified by Nero anyway, so perhaps the original mpeg would have been better, then people can chose which software to burn the disk.

You wont get different quality from different burn programs. And I would not have had such a challenge

You were looking for someone with a fast connection ?, what difference does that make ?. Yahoo is Yahoo you get what you get and 3 minuets to the UK was not bad, I have a broadband permanent connection.

Mmm there's another problem, if you make the mpeg NTSC then no people with PAL players can watch it without converting, then that defeats the object.

As for an alternative route for your uploads, well no I don't bother with them myself. I have web space for my web site but that's not got much room.

But a good place to put them is "On your hard drive" and let people download direct from you ??

You can use programs like grokster.com or kazza and name the files with something people can search and find. Then size would not be a problem, and you could have them as mpeg,ISO or anything you wanted. I would say a lot of people have those peer-to-peer programs and would perhaps lend a hand.

Anyway, if you want my opinion on the quality provide me with an original PalVCD.mpeg and Ill burn it to disk, or I can convert your NTSC.mpeg but Iso's by Nero are no good, only easy cd creator cif file's.

[vhelp]

letmeinforgodsake,

Hi, I'm not sure about (or understand much) of PAL format. ...or to encode to it.
I use TMPGEnc, since it works for me (still haven't figured out how to get CCE to
work for me (audio syncy problems) and crashes on me if I don't [ ] uncheck the audio).
However, if you have a suggestion on a PAL setting, I'll make the changes, I just hope
that it dones't alter my IMO quality from the NTSC version - if that makes any sense.

I think I heard of Kazza, and also, Serve-U, but I'm a little hesitant about people
being on my HD, even though someone said that I can set access rights to folders,
what's to stop those hackers? Anyone listening to (reading) me saying, ok try and download
form my HD, ...is like saying, "go ahead, hack me... I won't know if you are!"... I'm not
saying I have top secret info on my HD or that I have Porn or nude shots of me or anybody
for that matter, but I just don't like the idea that If I go ahead and leave it on, well, you know...
Ok, questoin: am I suppose to contact whoever I want to download from my HD? and then
initiate the process? Iv'e never used these apps, so I don't know. I suppose if I could do
a good image of my HD, then I wouldn't mind this process alltogether! becaues I would only
have those folders needed for, say windows, and very limited apps plus the Serv-U or Kazza,
for example. I don't know... What do you think?

Thank you for your reply.

MY SYSTEM SPECS:
----------------------
K7T Pro2-A (MS-6330) - Athlon 900mhz w/PC133 128MB
ATX VA mb - VIA VT83C572/VT82C586 pci2usb
VIA Chip driver - all vers 2.24 up to 2.34 being current
ATI-TV Wonder Bt878 auid/video
ATI Rage 128 16mb (set to 1024x768 32bt color)
Turtle Beach Card
20G ATA-100 HD (wd: 5700rpm) - mast (PRIM) - DMA on, UDMA enabled
30G ATA-100 HD (wd: 5700rpm) - Slave (PRIM) - DMA on, UDMA enabled
Pioneer DVD-Rom DVD-114 v1.10 - mast (SECOND) - DMA on, UDMA disabled
** SmartRipper 2.34 Rip speed >5x (average)
** dvdSpeed 99 rate = CPU 10% / transfer 6x+
CD-RW 12x10x32 -slave (SECOND) - DMA on, UDMA disabled
Dazzle DVC USB - pci
Studio DC10+ - pci
Satelite DirecTV using RCA phono plugs

[KingJohn]

Hi

That's better, I made a short cut to this location -

Well next time you load TMPGEnc hit the load button and instead of your NTSC VCD load a PAL VCD template in instead, the rest is fine, no there wont be any quality difference as far as your test is concerned. If you take a look at this site under VCD it will show you the NTSC and PAL still pictures showing the different size. Naturally you will be able to play the PAL mpeg on your computer but maybe not on your DVD player.

You have not used Kazaa ?, gosh do you download movies then ?. Well anyway yes and no to the hacking stuff, the fact that you come online and announce your presence to the world means you are available to hack NOW !. But don't lets get paranoid about this, If you are a little concerned then install a firewall, I use Norton Firewall the most powerful of the lot, but getting back to Kasaa well I would suggest http://www.grokster.com as an alternative its the same program as Kazza but has no spyware.

When you install it, you can setup what (If any) folders you wish to share, then people can only access what's inside those folders and nothing else. You can just drop a file in there and tell people the name, but to speed things up you can edit the description and title of each of your files, giving them unique "keywords", that way people searching for other items wont accidentally find your items.

So having made the test movies ready for sharing, you simply give the keywords for people to search for and the time they will be available (when your online). Well its a thought and if you wanted to continue your tests over long periods then maybe this is the answer, but there again it's down to your own preferences maybe the Yahoo way is better, but at leased this was your don't have to ftp those files or anything. Another good thing is if someone gets half the movie because you switch off, it will continue next time you come online. The program shows uploads and downloads, which you can cancel at any time.

You don't mention your Internet connection, this is important, if you have a permanent connection at high speed then these programs work just fine, but dial-up connections are of no use. And your computer needs to be switched on also -

[vhelp]

letmeinforgodsake,

I just got finished reading the FAQ over at Grokster. It sound promising. Has very good
features. It's impresive. I decided to download the file (completed). I may give it some
more thought about going this route!

But, first, I will have to test it out on a dummy machine. Luckely, I have just the pc
a few feet away from me. I have norton ghost and I'm gonna install it on that other machine.
But, before I do, I'll need to reformat (it got a 3g HD) the HD and reinstall windows 98 and
only install a few applicatoins.

I have a USB modem, but it dones't work on my pc here. Every time it connects, a second
later, it disconnets and shutsdown. But I think I will experiment with it on the other machine.
This PC has NEVER given me any problems, so if it acts the same there, then it must be the
driver or the unit itself. It's a 56k, but I have another internal 56k standing by, just in case!

Installation / To Do:
* windows 98
* only a handful of other apps (utilities, etc.)
* Norton Ghost
* Modem (USB or ISA card)
* Grokster
* anything else I can come up with - or missed!

After I complete the above (if I do) I will image this drive to a CD-R.
This way, every day, be it morning or night or whatever, I will pop in this
CD and re-image the HD. If there are only and handfull of apps, the
whole process should be more than a few minutes - and this I CAN list with!
And, I wont't be so worry-some on the virus attack so much.

Do you have a similar setup or you just don't care?

Question:
Based on the above, can you think of anything else I may have
missed on this list above?

Oh, please note, this whole process of Groster, ServU, and whatever else, I'm not doing
for you. I've ben contemplating on a better way to communicate my files (download/uploading)
for a while not, and have talked to a few Network people where I work, and a few did
suggest Grokster and Serv-U, and were will to help me with some test runs on downloading
and uploading.

Well, it looks like I've got a full schedule today! he, he....
Let me go for now, while I plan and debug my (hypertheticle) scenario/idea!
I be in tough real soon.
Oh, I alway keep my connection on. I have unlimited time, so leaving my pc up and
running for 10 hours is not a problem for me.

Ok, see you's people later!

[SlicknPick]

GROKSTER??? GROKSTER HAS SPYWARE UP THE ASS..just lettin ya know bye bye now..

I HOPE YOU GOT "Ad-Aware" and "Silencer"..Spyware can make things very very sloppy, if you ever notice a slowdown in your computer...as the kid said in The Sixth Sense "Thats Them" ....WeeeEEeeEeee..hehe
_________________
WeSt SiDe!
InSaNe In ThE mEmBrAiN!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SlicknPick on 2001-08-26 09:36:08 ]</font>

[vhelp]

SlicknPick,

Thanks for letting me know!!
Could you be more elaborate on this SPYWARE?

What exactly is it, and how does one over come it.

You're a fast reader (my post), or did you just scim it!

Thanks!

[SlicknPick]

Spyware is secretly put on your HD from certain programs which allows the companies to see what you are doing, place unseen cookies on your puter, gather all info you ever give on the net..and they make mad money off your browsing..and even when your not online..all the Registy that is messed with on your computer will drastically slow your performance down after time..get those programs, use "Ad-Aware" first..then use a file called "Silencer"..which you can get from me that blocks spyware from getting through so that you can use all the programs which normally contain spyware.

[vhelp]

SlicknPick,

Shech's, now I have moe download to do.

* Ad-Aware - first..
* then use a file called "Silencer"..from you??

Well, can you give alittle more detail on the above or at least e-mail me Silencer?

Or then again, I may just forget this route!

[SlicknPick]

Well sadly..Im afraid that you should get the programs anyway..cause you never know..you can already have spyware..its not jusr from Online programs..even "Creative" (maker of sound blaster) has spyware files..it sucks, but I would get these anyway..after you use Ad-Aware once, then silencer..you can delete the files..cause Ad-Aware removes it..silencer becomes embedded in the puter and keeps the spyware out for good.

[vhelp]

SlicknPick,

* Ad-Ware v5.0

It's funny that we're on this topic of spyware.
Many, times, have I, when first installing netscap,
it would load up supre fast, and then in a matter
of weeks, if not days, it's slow! This would happen
to me ALL THE TIME!!! But, (and every time) I re
install the software again, it would load up reall
fast again. I think we're on to something. I think
that I have many of these so called Ad ware's or
Spywares' - - call it what you want!! However,
if I do find these apps, I going to post the results
here, and ALERT you folks, ...those that don't have
Adware / spyware apps for there protection.
Oh, by the way, because of weired things going on
in my browser yesterday and the sluggishness of it,
I uninstalled it and re-instaled it. Again, it's very
fast again!

Obviously, this is not an ad ploy to get you people
to get this stuff. As you read these posts today,
you'll soon realize that is not the case (that I am
not a salesmen selling anything). ...Just alerting
you folks, that's all!! But first, let me download
this Ad-Ware app and I'll get back to you's real
shortly!!

Can't wait to see how many people are spying on
me!!

[SlicknPick]

Go get it mang..you can get it from http://www.downloads.com and just do a search for "Ad-Aware"

[vhelp]

SlicknPick,

Already did!!

But, as I was scanning, my browser was retrieving your mail
and it crashed! Makes me wonder!!

Oh, wait a minute, it's backu p and running! My appolizies!!
It's taking a while becuase I have a 20g and about 50k+ number
of files on my machine!!!

[vhelp]

SlicknPick,

I'm having with my machine - it's hangs and starts back up again - go figure!!

Anyway, IF i should find any, what's the quickest way of getting rid of it, without
reading the manual (another 20min. for something else) ??

Tanx!!

[SlicknPick]

Open Ad-Aware..make sure EVERYTHING is checked on the right column EXCEPT the A:\ drive..then just press "Scan Now". Where it says New Components, thats the spyware..after it finds them..check em all and delete em..then do a reboot.

[SlicknPick]

try not to have anything else running when you scan...

[KingJohn]

Hi

Spyware, well this term is used to describe software that is installed on your system (usually without your knowledge) that may send data about your surfing habits to another company. There are other programs regarded as spyware, like newdot net this is installed to enable non standard domain names, the fact that it was put on your system when you installed some other program also puts it in the same category as a spy.

For an example Kazaa comes with Gator (And more), well it puts on the basic program that starts to download the rest a bit at a time. Anyway take a look at this site http://www.lavasoftusa.com it has software called "Ad aware" that will search your system for spy's. But a word of warning, the Ad aware software can cause problems if you use it to "remove spy's". I use it to check only, but "manually" get rid of them.

Just for the record Grokster don't usually have any spyware on your first download, but after a short time it announces "theirs a new updated version" "would you like to download it". most people think there is some bug fixes or updates and can't resist clicking "Yer give me it" but all it does is install some spywear. So the rule is to ignore the updates.

You see they get revenue from companies that way, so companies will pay them to include other programs in the installation, all you need to do is be aware of these things and you can stop them.

Ok its your system and you are free to take what ever precautions you wish, I'm not one for installing things that may run havoc, however with software like kazaa,grokster napster apart from the spy's there is very little chance of it hurting your system especially if you have a few tools installed like firewall, anti virus etc etc. Another good way to tell if the software is ok is simply be word of mouth, if there was anything wrong with a program the word would spread like a virus......

Anyway, I just thought, if you have another PC nearby, why not network them, Windows 98Se comes with some great network software called "Internet connection sharing" which can be used so that all machines can access the internet. but it also lets you use the other machine to put files on if you wish. I have 3 machines networked this way, and with a few tweaks I can use any of them to run grokster, audio galaxy etc etc. Just a thought...... LAN cards are cheap these days.

Anyway getting back to the subject, well your 56k is the bottle neck in the system, since its free for most people for unlimited use I guess its no so bad. But it will take some time to download movies from someone with 56K having said that I also use to have a 56K modem, and just let the download run in the background, but it took days, weeks sometimes to get MP3's one of the other problems is 56k is your download speed, your upload may be a lot less than that !!!!

No matter how fast the other guy runs at, he will still need to wait for you

You asked about other programs and talked about using Norton Ghost, well I don't see the point in making a image of your hard drive, the next day its outdated. As long as you have your personal data backed up, then a good clean installation of windows is always a good thing. But I have also heard of people that format the hard drive before they re-install windows, that way even your personal things are gone, its simply not needed. Just a few folders to delete and a fresh install. Don't get me wrong I also use to use backup software and make images of my drives, but when they are used to restore, you always end up loosing a hell of allot, and importantly you go back in time, and remember all the things you never had installed.

by the time I have finished typing this you should be done ?? If you do install grokster let me know and I will try to download from you...

John