Huge Downloads

[cman01]

I just ordered my cable modem service through Comcast. Since I'll be waiting on it (self install kit) for a week or so, I just wanted to ask those of you that have a broadband connection something about big ass downloads. How long does it take for you to download a huge file. I just looked on Kaaza for Blade 2 and saw that the first half of the movie is well over 155mb! With your fast connnection, how long would that take?

[wellmashed]

I can download 400 meg in probably 3 hours if the connection is good...

Maybe more....

[devinemi83]

Well, its hard to say really. Since 99% of the time you are not using your full bandwidth. When I download movies and believe me I DL plenty. It has more to do with the other persons up speed. On the fastest I got 90KB a sec and some I get only 10KB sec. Average movies for a combined size of 400 MB would be around 2.5-4 hours. Now if you could use you entire bandwidth pipe you could have the movie in about 15 minutes.

[cman01]

I think that I just may get lucky enough to get all/most of my bandwith since I will be the only person in my neighborhood to have the cable modem service. We'll see though.

[mrpink]

It all depends on where you plan on getting things from. If you use the more popular ways of getting things, then it could take a while. I currently download a 1.6gig movie(svcd), and its usually done within 4hrs, and im on dsl. Its not so much what your speed is, its what the speed of the sender is, so if your getting it off of jo-blows computer he has running in the basement on his cable internet, its going to take a bit longer than getting it off of john whos tapping into works t3 line. Save yourself the time and HEADACHE, DONT DOWNLOAD AVI'S. They are a complete waste of time, even after converting them, the quality SUCKS. Get mpgs only and you will be happy with your final product.
In no time at all, you will have yourself a nice little movie library.

[cman01]

It all depends on where you plan on getting things from. If you use the more popular ways of getting things, then it could take a while. I currently download a 1.6gig movie(svcd), and its usually done within 4hrs, and im on dsl. Its not so much what your speed is, its what the speed of the sender is, so if your getting it off of jo-blows computer he has running in the basement on his cable internet, its going to take a bit longer than getting it off of john whos tapping into works t3 line. Save yourself the time and HEADACHE, DONT DOWNLOAD AVI'S. They are a complete waste of time, even after converting them, the quality SUCKS. Get mpgs only and you will be happy with your final product.
In no time at all, you will have yourself a nice little movie library.

Thanks for the advice about mpeg's. I will remember that.

[toro15]

don't listen to him, mpegs are good if you wanna make VCD's , but if you wanna watch a movie, and you wanna get it fast, go with the avi, they are always smaller, and therefore , dont take as long to download. Dont get me wrong mpegs are phat, but avi's ARE smaller, and if whoever converted them used the same source, they'll probably be about the same quality as the mpeg.

[Greg12]

It depends on how many people are on your node and how fast the person or site sending it is.


Off of websites I get 200-300kps

On P2P Vidoes around 10kps, Mp3's around 30 and other stuff varies.

I use IMesh which allows multisource downloading and it is so fast.

[toro15]

Greg... idont like the name greg..... anewayz, shutup

[wellmashed]

And if you are on XP then make the most of your cable connection by tweaking your O/S.

By default XP reserves 20% of your bandwidth.

To get it back follow this for the tweak.

http://bb.bbboy.net/wellmashed-viewthread?forum=10&thread=3

[mrpink]

don't listen to him, mpegs are good if you wanna make VCD's , but if you wanna watch a movie, and you wanna get it fast, go with the avi, they are always smaller, and therefore , dont take as long to download. Dont get me wrong mpegs are phat, but avi's ARE smaller, and if whoever converted them used the same source, they'll probably be about the same quality as the mpeg.
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All work and no play, makes me wanna kick your f**king ass!


Give me a break. The avi is no where close to being the same quality as the mpg. Stick with your shitty ass files, obviously you dont have a clue what your talking about. How can a file that is half the size of the original even compare?? Video compression isnt the same as data compression, you end up loosing alot of detail.[/quote]

[toro15]

read dumass i sed mpegs are phat, but if all you wanna do is watch a movie, its alot easier to get the avi, especially if you are using p2p.

[pacmania_2001]

Dont get me wrong mpegs are phat, but avi's ARE smaller, and if whoever converted them used the same source, they'll probably be about the same quality as the mpeg.

Wrong! Especially off P2P, those dumbarses wouldnt know how to encode if their lives depended on it. Take one group who re-encodes the movies for release on P2P, [TMD]. There movies are encoded at 20fps so basically you are fucked if you want to watch a half decent quality version or convert to VCD. Also they **** up Aspect Ratio's so it looks even shittier.

don't listen to him, mpegs are good if you wanna make VCD's , but if you wanna watch a movie, and you wanna get it fast, go with the avi, they are always smaller, and therefore , dont take as long to download

Meh, not if you do the maths, a VCD ready .mpg file(lets say 400mb for one part) from mIRC downloading at 150k/s(average speed, 250-400k/s from a good server) compared to a Shitty re-encode that you cant do anything with (lets say 150mb per part) running at 20k/s(average, most i have ever got is like 50k/s), which one is going to finish earlier?

Thats also after you have waited around two weeks for the P2P networks to finally get a copy of the movie up.

Sure you can say that you could just download an AVI file from mIRC, which you could but their are way more channels (and better/faster) serving MPEG's than their are AVI. I have yet to find a channel serving AVI's that has the range, quickness in release times and fast servers that VCD serving channels do.

I think that I just may get lucky enough to get all/most of my bandwith since I will be the only person in my neighborhood to have the cable modem service. We'll see though.

Yeh that is mostly true but read the plan carefully and see about capping limits. Some ISP's cap your connection at certain limits such as 256k/64k(download/upload). Also because you are in the US you should be closer to most servers therefore have a better download speed than other countries.

[vcd4me]

Time for my two cents

Mr PINK wrote
"don't waste your time with avi. they suck get mpg only mpegs are better quality".Either you are confused or your not explaing yourself to well.The movies your are talking about being svcd 1.6 is a dvd rip avi(some people call it divx).There is no way you are getting a new movie(blade 2) on a p2p in svcd .Also I've never seen anyone rip a dvd movie and share it in mpg format on any p2p it would just take way too long to download.So basically TORO15 is 100% right

There is some confusion here when a movie first comes out I will use the movie at hand Blade 2 it is in avi format made/taped by some group or another.Then someone converts it and puts it online to share in mpg format.The quality usually doesn't change(unless there is a converting error)but rember this if the quality in sucks then the quality out sucks, or like PACMANIA said it is an error on the converter..

Usually if you download a mpg file all you will have to do is use a program like nero to burn it then you can watch it on your standalone dvd player.

If you plan to use a p2p use Imesh like GREG12 said. you can connect to several people to get the movie quicker, most of the time when a new movie comes out then it is in avi format. You should check out winmx for movies they have the movies quicker than any other p2p.

CMAN, I'm looking into IRC it's a lot faster like PACMNIA said.You might want to as well. It takes a little time to learn but they say it's worth it

Hope this helps EVERYONE !
VCD4ME

[mrpink]

Either you are confused or your not explaing yourself to well.The movies your are talking about being svcd 1.6 is a dvd rip avi(some people call it divx).There is no way you are getting a new movie(blade 2) on a p2p in svcd .Also I've never seen anyone rip a dvd movie and share it in mpg format on any p2p it would just take way too long to download.So basically TORO15 is 100% right

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!!!! Toro15 doesnt have a damn clue what hes talking about. You guys and your p2p crap ass programs, waiting an extra week atleast before anything shows up, and never sure of the quality your going to get. And to let you know jackass, a svcd is never called divx. I suggest you do some reading before you stick your foot in your mouth again.

[vcd4me]

SLOW DOWN

All I'm saying is the original post was about blade2. I've never heard of any theater movie being 1.6. and I re-read what I typed in was wrong it should have read... svcd quality (meaning above 1150 kb/sec.)Also I never said svcd is called divx. DIvx is a compression of avi and also divx(MPEG4)is better than svcd (MPEG 2)

If what you are saying is true then all the movies you are downloading are dvd rips. I never said a SVCD is DIVX, what I'm trying to say is when you are downloading using a p2p there are two ways or seeing a file listed people call them diffrent things on p2p but the are the same

here look at this example:
K-PAX(dvd rip)CD1.avi....713,xxx,xxx also there is a CD2
K-PAX(DIVX)CD1.avi....713,xxx,xxx also there is a CD2
both of those are for the same exact movie
Now you very rarely see three parts to a movie and that will usually say
(svcd). Well how would you know that you use irc. I agree with you that irc is better that's why I'm trying to learn it. I

Does that make sense now. your somewhat right I DID MIS-TYPE.that's all I was wrong about .

But what you said about mpeg being better than avi is wrong.
MPG=A CONVERTED DIVX/AVI FILE.AVI AND MPG ARE THE SAME QUALITY-IF the quality in sucks the quality out sucks.!

So if you convert avi to mpg and burn it you can watch it on a dvd player.

I HOPE THIS CLEARS IT UP!
VCd4ME

[mrpink]

But what you said about mpeg being better than avi is wrong.
MPG=A CONVERTED DIVX/AVI FILE.AVI AND MPG ARE THE SAME QUALITY-IF the quality in sucks the quality out sucks.!

You are so wrong. Avi doesnt even come close to comparing to the quality of a mpg file, let alone a mpg2 file. I suppose if the only way your getting things is through shitty p2p programs, chances are you dont even have a clue what a good quality rip looks like.

[808M] Black Hawk Down - PROPER.DVD.SCREENER.SVCD-TKS [CD1]
there are 3cds for that.
[760] Black Hawk Down - SCREENER.DIVX[CD1]
two cds for that. Now are you going to tell me that the divx is going to be just as good as the svcd???? Dont even try saying yes to that

[Greg12]

Toro?

What's up with that, this is America, not Spain.


Are you in bull fights often?

[toro15]

first off Greg, America is made up of more spanish speaking countries than english speaking. If you were attempting to refer to The US as America, your wrong again, over 1/3 of the population is of hispanic descent. And to be thus they DONT have to be from spain DUMBASS.


Second, the original question, was about what kind of speeds one could get, and regarding movies you can get with broadband. How about we stop this argument about which format is better. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it could be based on how fast they can get a file , how good the movie is, or what kind of quality the movie is. Its like trying to figure out .... something really stupid and complicated. so lets just say, its alot easier and faster to get a movie with broadband, and as YOU learn more about movies you can have your own opinions on which is the best. OK!

[vcd4me]

I'm just trying to explain it to you
If you stop and take a breath you will learn from this

divx is a compression format of avi.

when compressed in divx format the files get smaller.

here is how it works:

A movie is either recorded (theater)or ripped from a dvd(screener in your case-BHD).

once recorded (theater)it is then captured to a computer in avi format.hardly anyone captures in mpeg format directly look at the capture guides.Then it is compressed into divx so the file will be smaller so people can upload it quicker smaller files equals quicker download.

Now if the movie is a dvd rip or screener it is ripped in avi format. at a higher standard of bitrate (svcd quality-3parts).these are higher than vcd bitrates(2parts)so then it is compressed into divx so the file will be smaller for downloading purposes.

Then you take the divx/avi and convert it to either mpg1(vcd)or svcd.(mpeg2) That's what this site is all about.

I'm not trying to bust your chops but your the one calling everyone names.

as for this statement
"Now are you going to tell me that the divx is going to be just as good as the svcd???? Dont even try saying yes to that"
in that case you are kind of right the first one is definitly better quality but when you got it I'll bet it's in divx format.Have you converted it yet ?what did it say in TMPGenc what compression is it? however if you look at the comparison chart divx(mpeg4) is better quality than svcd.

I have downloaded plenty of movies I know what a good rip looks like
Oh and by the way I got death to smoochy 3 days after it came out.

I hope this helps
If you want we can get a moderator in here to help you
VCD4ME

[mrpink]

yippie 3 days after its been released, arent we a special boy. Now if you said you had gotten spiderman the day of the release like some folks have(myself included) then i might have taken you seriously.

[vcd4me]

I know that p2p suck why do you think I'm trying to learn irc.

NOW do you understand the diffrence between avi and mpg

[mrpink]

still dont buy it, all of the divx i have downloaded in the past have sucked, thats the reason i only get mpgs now. If everything is ripped to avi first, why is it that sites like vcdquality talk about VCD not divx??

[vcd4me]

Ok I think I know why your confused
I was too when I first started

when a movie first comes out in the theater you can get it either from a dvd rip screener which means it is a pre-release to movie theaters so the movie theater owners can see if they like the movie.You can also get a TS
TELESYNC or taped screen copy. which is probably what you are referring to.If you read the middle of the faq page it tells you about these and a few others. Some people refer to a taped screen as a screener but that is wrong and mislabeled

On p2p people get this confused and they mislabel their movies and that's another reason I am learning irc.I now only download screener (hit or miss)or dvd rips.

I have another way to explain divx to you
If you take any movie that is on dvd it is 4.7Gigs if it has no extras. Most newer ones are 9.4 gigs(all the extras) so if you wanted to download that it would take up a huge amount of HD space, and the average person would only be able to have a few movies on their HD.

HOPE we are getting somewhere.
VCD4ME

[bilbogod]

I seem to remember having answered this before
Simple answer .........People dont watch DivX on there standalones. Full stop, period. Quality has absoultely NOTHING to do with it. Oh and btw - you can make a 2cd DivX that looks as good if not better than an SVCD. You just have to know how to make them correctly. 90% of people dont. Have you ever correctly configured Gordian Knot, Fairuse or MakeFilm.......???? I would have to physically lower my resolution if I wanted it to be on a par with SVCD. Oh and BTW, I prefer watching KVCD's 120 mins on 1cd a.k.a. "The format of choice for non anally retentive economists who enjoy visual perfection from 120 mins on 1 cd displayed via a 19inch t.v set".
p.s. It's not what you use, its what you do with it that counts

[pacmania_2001]

Movie Release groups (Centropy, FTF, Legion etc) all do it in this manner
Cam/TS/DVD -> Capture/Rip to AVI -> Encode to MPG -> Release as VCD

So whilst the movie does start out as an AVI it is never officially released as an AVI, always as an MPG.

As Bilbogod said, a divx encoded DVD-Rip will equally match if not hands down beat a (S)VCD no problems if encoded right. As he also said it has to be encoded right. Most people offering divx for download on P2P cant encode right therefore their movies are crap quality as I mentioned in the cases of [TMD]. However, if a group/person can encode their AVI's right and you only want to watch a movie on your computer then their is no reason that you shouldnt download them in AVI. However, that said, be prepared to wait extra time as I mentioned above it does take time for people to re-encode from the properly released MPG to a AVI. Also as said above most groups/people releasing stuff on P2P cant encode right.

[poopyhead]

heh...reading all the posts was quite entertaining...

bilbogod, i've seen my share of good and bad divx compressions...however, i don't think u're comparing apples with apples...

if a perfectly done SVCD is compared w/ a perfectly done DIVX (for comparisons sake...), i don't believe DIVX can outdo SVCD in terms of quality..i think u're probably comparing a really well done DIVX to a relatively OK SVCD rip...

also, most divx compresses are onto 2 CDs at most...this can never ever compare to 3 disc SVCDs (seems logical..but comparison isn't fair since divx has less available bytes to use..but still, this is often the case)

pacmania_2001, i haven't capped anything myself, but i do know that capping is usually done through the huge, uncompressed .avi file and then encoded/compressed to wutever.....(i'm guessing this is where the confusion between the uncompressed .avi format and the compressed divx .avi format)

however, i'm confused on the purpose of going through the .avi intermediate w/ DVD screeners...i'm assuming these are just like normal DVDs w/ vobs, etc...since the ppl have the vob sources, why do they rip into avi..since the vobs are the ultimate source (maybe even compressed from a bigger uncompressed .avi source???), y not just do the normal smartripper->dvd2avi->tmpgenc since this is ripping directly from DVD and not capping

also, i've done all my rips (alotta them) on SVCDs..so i'm a diehard SVCD supporter and would like to offer some negative points about divx...

1)divx is extremeley CPU/hardware intensive (even more so than SVCDs), so when playing these on a slower, older machine..they might not be able to handle it

2) also, divx can't be played on standalones...and we all know that the lower resolution TVs seem to make any video much, much better looking than on computer monitors...

3) unless i'm horribly misinformed, divx can only be burned as data CDs...hence they can only fit 700 MB on a 80 min CD-R, however...SVCDs can fit 800 MB on a 80 min CD-R with mode 2 burning, thus, if 2 discs are used...SVCDs will have nearly 200 MB more to use

just my 0.02

[vcd4me]

PACMANIA,

I have never seen this done on any p2p any chance you mistyped

This is what you typed
"Movie Release groups (Centropy, FTF, Legion etc) all do it in this manner
Cam/TS/DVD -> Capture/Rip to AVI -> Encode to MPG -> Release as VCD So whilst the movie does start out as an AVI it is never officially released as an AVI, always as an MPG. "


Most movies on p2p are usually only in avi not mpg. So for p2p shouldn't it read Cam/TS/DVD -> Capture/Rip to AVI ->You download>You Encode to MPG>then you burn to cdr.

If you haven't mistyped could you explain it more.

[bilbogod]

Poppyhead - when I've got some time (approx 3 weeks cause of uni assignments I'll come back to this thread and conduct some fun little experiments. I'm not convinced that true SVCD can be comparable to an excellent DIVX for one simple reason. Your SVCD resolution is restricted to the Whitebook standard. With DivX you dont have to adhere to a rigid spec and mpeg 4 algorithms offer pretty awesome results at very low bitrates. There are more innovative ways of intelligently compressing than the older mpeg 1 and 2 formats. In fact there is a clip - I forget the link but I think its Nicky Digital Digest that illustrates how a 600 kbps low motion codec produces superior results over a 6000kbps fast motion codec on a section of the film "Alien 3"
I personally use 3-passes DVD2SVCD normally or Kwags "kvcd" for all extras, animations, black and white films, pop videos and any other non classic titles. The good DivX guides that are around illustrate how you can put between 1 - 3 hours on 1 cd at max quality. Using 2 or 3 cds can actually be worse !!!

p.s. Nandub uses something called SBC or Smart Bitrate Control, which changes the codecs used according to the action scenes. The reason so many DivX's look crap and one or two amazing is because people are either using the wrong codecs or the right ones at the wrong times. Bascially you gotta do the analysis yourself unless you use a prog that has been intelligently enabled.

[pacmania_2001]

VCD4ME wrote

I have never seen this done on any p2p any chance you mistyped

This is what you typed
"Movie Release groups (Centropy, FTF, Legion etc) all do it in this manner
Cam/TS/DVD -> Capture/Rip to AVI -> Encode to MPG -> Release as VCD So whilst the movie does start out as an AVI it is never officially released as an AVI, always as an MPG. "


Most movies on p2p are usually only in avi not mpg. So for p2p shouldn't it read Cam/TS/DVD -> Capture/Rip to AVI ->You download>You Encode to MPG>then you burn to cdr.

If you haven't mistyped could you explain it more.

Sorry if I made it unclear. By referring to that I mean that is how they are released by the original release group on IRC. What you have seen is another group that has come along, downloaded that release, re-encoded it to AVI then re-released onto (usually, not always though) a P2P network as their own with their own logos.

If you want to check out original releases as they happen and the information for each such as quality wise and quickness check out www.vcdquality.com , it has screenshots of all the releases as well as info from the proper release group. You should notice the difference between their releases and the ones you get on a P2P network pretty quickly