tmpg v.s. CCE?

[REDi]

is CCE alot faster? is one better than the other?

[Kdiddy]

IF framserved correctly, 2-pass VBR CCE is faster than 2-pass TMPG. Ive even found 3-pass CCE faster than 2-pass TMPG. Now issue then becomes quality. IMO, CCE is outperforms TMPG hands down at mpeg2 above average bitrates of 1.4-1.5 mbps. I usually do SVCDs, so that is all Im concern with. When I do VCDs for my neighbor, I usually do 2-pass TMPG mpeg1 because the bitrates usually are below 1.4 mbps at which I think TMPG performs better.

[sumibas]

I do all my VCDs With CCE. if it is a Drama wthi no action or fast seens i user VBR 1 pass with Q 60 and min bit rate 500 and max 2400(that is what max my sony NS400 Plays). a two hour moviw is done in 2hr 32 min. and for me CCE look far better than tempengc and has no blockyness as tempengc does. it is my personal experience. My system is

P4 1.3 Ghz 512 MB RDRAM with nivida card

[REDi]

2 hr in 2:34??? daaamn.. i'm using dvd2svcd.. anyway tmpg is takin like 8 to 9 hours for a 1.5 hr movie.. and this is on a 1gig Tbird, 392megs of ram.

[Thumper]

Ok, so what is up with my time. I have a PIII 733/256mb ram, Im in the process of duping Matrix in DVD2SVCD and it will take an estimate 53 hours. Im using all the default settings, TMPG for encoding at 2 pass VBR with a max bitrate of about 2500. Getting a 1ghz chip next week and maxing ram, think that will boost the speed up, or should I get a copy of CCE and give that a whirl.

Any suggestions>>>>>?

[Kdiddy]

IMO, DVD2SVCD while it may be the easiest way to use CCE, its not the fastest nor best use of CCE. Frameserving via avisynth is faster & better.

Yes faster processor & more RAM, along with having source video on a ATA/100 drive and encoding to different ATA/100 for example will increase encode times. Athlon XP 1600, 256 DDR RAM, usually average about 1.6 real time for my encodes. 3-passes on a 2 hour flick usually takes about 4 hours.

As far as TMPG, my 2-pass (set to high quality) takes about the same time for the same length of movie. I do not use any filters. "Noise Reduction" filter for example adds significant time to your encoding process. Setting the process to "highest quality" also adds time as well, and most feel that there isn't any visual difference between "high" & "highest". Lastly, check under Environmental Settings->CPU, and make sure you have SSE & SSE2 enabled.

[mickboss]

Use CCE ... it is A LOT!!! FASTER!!!

CCE Pros:

= WAY faster than TMPGEnc
= Macroblocks a lot smaller than TMPGEnc

TMPGEnc Pros:

= More options
= A little better color, image


In my Athlon XP 1700+ @ 1800+ (1540 MHz), 256 Mb PC 133 I take about 8-10 hours to encode a 2 hour movie with CCE 5-pass 8)

[adam]

IMO, DVD2SVCD while it may be the easiest way to use CCE, its not the fastest nor best use of CCE. Frameserving via avisynth is faster & better.

DVD2SVCD does frameserve via avisynth. As far as speed is concerned its no different than if you do everything manually, however, I do think that you have more control when doing everything yourself.

[Twin]

IMO, DVD2SVCD while it may be the easiest way to use CCE, its not the fastest nor best use of CCE. Frameserving via avisynth is faster & better.

DVD2SVCD does frameserve via avisynth.

@Adam: He ment that DVD2SVCD isn't using the fastest way, which he states are Avisynth.. :P

[poopyhead]

RAM doesn't have an effect unless u're running multiple apps at once...so if you're only encoding and doing nothing else, RAM doesn't really affect encoding time...

mainly it's all about the CPU, 100 more mhtz in a CPU can make all the diff. (unless u got intel, then their clock speed means jack )

[Stelios]

Where does the CCE logo appear in the picture? How big is it? Is it annoying? I would like to purchase the lite version, but a bit expensive I think.

Stelios

[REDi]

right now i'm ripping a flick, and am using CCE 2.5 sp .. says it'll take around 6 hours total for teh video encode in CCE.. but i just realized that dvd2svcd defaults to 4 multipass VBR.. does 4 passes make a differerence over say 2? would that chop my time down?

[eeza]

IMO, DVD2SVCD while it may be the easiest way to use CCE, its not the fastest nor best use of CCE. Frameserving via avisynth is faster & better.

DVD2SVCD does frameserve via avisynth.

@Adam: He ment that DVD2SVCD isn't using the fastest way, which he states are Avisynth.. :P

I thought that DVD2SVCD used a fairly efficient avisynth setup - how do you get it to go faster? Any chance of seeing an AVS file here?

[smokingweed3000]

were u really gonna buy CCE.

edited by Truman: Have a look at the link below. #^&% §#?~>|

[Stelios]

Hi

"CCE 2.64 SP" Is this the demo version or the full lite version?

[smokingweed3000]

edited by Truman

[afwasborstel]

were u really gonna buy CCE. why dont u just d/l CCE 2.64 SP of Kazaa or mIRC or something. no one buys these things these things these days

May I remind U that we are on a Official Site and NOT on a crack/warez site??

[Truman]

Download CCE SP 2.64 trial http://www.visiblelight.com/products/cinemacraft/CCESP.asp
Download CCEL 2.64 trial
http://www.visiblelight.com/products/cinemacraft/CCEL.asp

[smokingweed3000]

i only said that if he doesnt want to spend that much money he could just go to kazaa, i never provided him with the crack/ware.
sorry if im not even allowed to do that cause ive seen a lot of posts about software demos that the actuall program costs a lot of money and people were saying to go to kazaa and d/l them and no one told them anythin about that so i didnt know.

[smokingweed3000]

plus me and u both know that just about everyone on this site that has a copy of CCE didnt actually pay for it

[Kdiddy]

DVD2SVCD does frameserve via avisynth. As far as speed is concerned its no different than if you do everything manually, however, I do think that you have more control when doing everything yourself.

For me, there was a speed difference, may have been just my set up, but I like it more for exactly what you stated. I have more control over settings when done manually.

RAM doesn't have an effect unless u're running multiple apps at once...so if you're only encoding and doing nothing else, RAM doesn't really affect encoding time...

I have to respectively disagree here. I temporarily put some RAM from another one of boxes into my box, making it 512 uinstead of 256, and it did raise it slightly. But not enough for me that warranted buying some more RAM just for that small increase. Again, it may have been just my set-up, but I have read where other users have reported some increases as well.

[Stelios]

I think that it is VERY WRONG to download piroted (illegal)programs form any side. It takes lots of efford and money to develope these programs and it's only fair for people who work hard for these , to get paid. Now if any particular program is too expensive to your standards then just don't buy it.

Stelios

[adam]

IMO, DVD2SVCD while it may be the easiest way to use CCE, its not the fastest nor best use of CCE. Frameserving via avisynth is faster & better.

DVD2SVCD does frameserve via avisynth.

@Adam: He ment that DVD2SVCD isn't using the fastest way, which he states are Avisynth.. :P

And like I said dvd2svcd DOES use avisynth.

kdiddy if the speed varied then there must have been differences in the avisynth script that you authored manually, and the one dvd2svcd created.

[poopyhead]

I think that it is VERY WRONG to download piroted (illegal)programs form any side. It takes lots of efford and money to develope these programs and it's only fair for people who work hard for these , to get paid. Now if any particular program is too expensive to your standards then just don't buy it.

Stelios

it's up to the pirated (illegal) versions to bring the price of the legal version down.... ;p

i'm sure they could still make enough money if they charged a little bit less...and if they really didn't want their software to be cracked, then they should work harder to make their program "crackproof," unless they're too dumb

[Rigo]

that was a good one poopyhead

[resnullius]

Most companies know nothing can trully be crack proof, it's like believing in Santa... do you believe? That's why most companies increase their prices to go get the money that's missing

[smokingweed3000]

i dont think there is anyway of making any program "crackproof" cause if u give someone enough time im sure he will be able to crack it.

[SatStorm]

Back to the first question:
for DVD "backup", CCE is the way to go, if you have the proggy...

For anything else, tmpgenc is the best solution

What is "anything else" ?
dvb 2 (x)(S)VCD, VHS 2 (x)(S)VCD, don't mention converting #any source# to (x)(S)VCD

Also, TMPGenc offers Batch encoding. Very usefull...

It is possible to get CCE quality with TMPGenc for DVD "backup", but in 15% bigger files.

Where to find CCE? easy: www.google.com

[adam]

Well cce offers batch encoding also.

As far as quality is concerned its a matter of preferance. Personally I feel that cce offers much better mpeg2 quality than TMPGenc on most sources as long as your using a high enough bitrate ~1.5mbits or higher. The speed difference is definitely noticable too, it can be more than twice as fast as TMPGenc and still produce better quality.

The general consensus seems to be that if your making a svcd use cce and if your making a vcd use TMPGenc or even Panasonic Encoder.

[SatStorm]

CCE has batch encoding, but it is useless, unless your source is Avi, right? Or you prefer to run 20 times the same time Virtualdub to frameserve? With CCE you always need frameserving, don't forget that!

So, let me put it that way:

In terms of quality:
DVD to SVCD best quality: CCE
DVD to VCD or xSVCD with VCD resolution: TMPGenc
DVB to SCVD/CVD/VCD: Tmpgenc
Avi to 352 - 720 X 576 Mpeg 2 @>1900 bitrate: CCE
Avi to 352 X 288-576 Mpeg 2 @ <1900 bitrate: Tmpgenc
DV to CCIRR 601/D2: CCE
DV to D4 (352 X 288): Tmpgenc

In general: Tmpgenc focus on best comprasion, while CCE focus on best quality. So, for D4 resolutions, use TMPGenc. For DVD/SVCD use CCE. For CVD the quality is the same for TMPGenc and CCE, but the use of TMPGenc is easier.

Now, it is the perfect oportunity to ask something to CCE experts...

Let say that I have an 8 hour DVB transmission of a music channel, let say MTV 2 Pop. The transmission is a ready multiplexxed mpeg 2.
I want to select specific videos to re-encode them to CVD/xSVCD.
With the combination of DVD2Avi/TMPGenc I can mark what I want from the transmission, feed tmpgenc with that offline frameserving, program tmpgenc, save the project and repeat the steps for all my selections.
Then, I load the projects to tmpgenc, hit batch encode and encode let say 20 videos in the raw.
The whole proccess, needs about 20 min to preview the 8h transmission with dvd2avi and select what I want from it, and about 15 min to program TMPGenc for all my projects. My each TMPGenc projects includes: Croping, centering, sharping, de-intelacing (if neccessary), color correction (if nesessary), masking specific parts of the picture (hidding for example the channel's logos) and Audio quality editing.

How I can do all those tasks with CCE? I love CCE quality, but -again- how I can use it for my needs ?
How I can mask parts of the screen with the same program, sharp or blur specific projects, crop and center some parts, direct using mpeg 2 with no avi files?
Which are the CCE edit capabilities? How I can use them?
And how I can prepere CCE to batch encode 20 - 40 in the raw projects?

I read the guides, talk with CCE experts and noone gave me solutions. I experement myself and I find that I need to check my PC all the time, just to load projects and see if it is crashes or no. Hey, I have a life and a horny Girlfriend! I prefer her than PC...