Advice on a video editor similar to Virtual Dub for mkv files

[loninappleton]

What program will display video and audio similar to Virtual dub for mkv in the freeware at Videohelp software?

I simply need to be able to step through by frames or key frame and get a time to split a file using MKVmerge. The break is at a fade out but the first part always shows a bit after the fade. The part two does not have the problem (in reverse order.) Admittedly this fade is pretty short.

Could it be a problem with MKVmerge? I've recently had good success with it on another similar job.

Which editor (not MKVcutter, that program had a dependency that failed to load and I didn't know what to do with it) behaves like Virtual Dub for time and frame?

[jagabo]

VirtualDub with an input plugin that supports MKV. There are several, MKV, ffmpeg, Directshow.

You won't get frame accurate cuts with MkvMerge. It can't reencode the cut GOPs. Your cuts can only be on key frames.

[loninappleton]

Then my install of Virtual dub can load an mkv. How, where does ffmpeg have to installed for this? Is there a guide?



If only on key frames I might have to live with the little winkie at the end of that first part.

I have used other tools but not on one of these Group of Pictures things. If Vdub can load it, can it make an accurate cut at the desired place of this GOP?

But answer how I can use it as a 'player' first.

[Baldrick]

Tried avidemux?

[jagabo]

Download the Matroska source filter for VirtualDub -- the VirtualDub page here has links to it. Put Matroska.vdplugin in VirtualDub's plugins32 folder. You can now open MKV files with VirtualDub. You still might need a VFW decoder for the codec used.

[loninappleton]

Tried avidemux?

Thanks for the tip. I loaded it but will need a guide for it's features. Please give a location for a printable one.

What seems to be happening is a an edit selection has to be tagged before it can be cut.

The Go(to) time stamp works but seems to work in an odd manner. And that wheel thing-- I don't know what it does at all.

Last thing is where does the frame count show up? I can read the time stamp but don't see a dynamic frame count-- one where you can use the slider to scroll through the content to find the edit spot. That's really all I'm after. But the program is up to date and in development.

I'll sample the matroska add in to Vdub as well.

[redwudz]

A guide for AVIDemux is not easily printable as it would take many, many pages, but the wiki docs for AVIDemux are here: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php

You may also be able to find some tutorials for specific proceedures on our site in our 'HOW TO' guides https://www.videohelp.com/guides?searchtext=&tools=510&madeby=&formatconversionselect=&...or+List+Guides or on YouTube.

[racer-x]

I use XmediaRecode to cut many formats, it is a front end to ffmpeg, so it supports quite a bit. MKV is no problem. If you cut on key-frames, you can stream copy, otherwise you'll need to re-encode.

[loninappleton]

A guide for AVIDemux is not easily printable as it would take many, many pages, but the wiki docs for AVIDemux are here: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php

You may also be able to find some tutorials for specific procedures on our site in our 'HOW TO' guides https://www.videohelp.com/guides?searchtext=&tools=510&madeby=&formatconversionselect=&...or+List+Guides or on YouTube.

I'll look at what you show. Didn't know AVI Demux was that involved.

I will look at your guides section. I only looked for a guide at the AVIDemux software page on Videohelp.

What would get me started is knowing how to tag and snip a 2hr mkv.
Somehow I got the sequence and keystrokes mixed trying to mark an act break.

[redwudz]

I still use VD and VDmod all the time. They do take a bit of time to learn, but have a lot of options for filtering and are fairly easy to use.
AVIDemux is more of a quick editor and I don't really use it for filtering or fixing messed up videos.

You may already know that MKV (H.264) is terrible for editing mainly because the key frames (I frames) are very far apart, and you need to cut on them to avoid re-encoding.

Learning AVISynth is really the way to go, but lots more time to learn.

[jagabo]

What would get me started is knowing how to tag and snip a 2hr mkv.
Somehow I got the sequence and keystrokes mixed trying to mark an act break.

Are you asking how to mark a section and remove it from the video? It's pretty much the same as in VirtualDub. You find the start of what you want to cut and Edit -> Set Marker A. Find the end of what you want to cut and Edit -> Set Marker B. Then Edit -> Cut. Repeat for each section you want to remove. Then File -> Save -> Save Video.

Those instructions use the menus but you can see the equivalent button images and keystrokes in those menus:

[loninappleton]

Download the Matroska source filter for VirtualDub -- the VirtualDub page here has links to it. Put Matroska.vdplugin in VirtualDub's plugins32 folder. You can now open MKV files with VirtualDub. You still might need a VFW decoder for the codec used.

I will need a direct link for this. No luck using Videohelp search with what you've given.

[loninappleton]

What would get me started is knowing how to tag and snip a 2hr mkv.
Somehow I got the sequence and keystrokes mixed trying to mark an act break.

Are you asking how to mark a section and remove it from the video? It's pretty much the same as in VirtualDub. You find the start of what you want to cut and Edit -> Set Marker A. Find the end of what you want to cut and Edit -> Set Marker B. Then Edit -> Cut. Repeat for each section you want to remove. Then File -> Save -> Save Video.

Those instructions use the menus but you can see the equivalent button images and keystrokes in those menus:


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I just saw this and yes thanks for the detailed graphic. I'll go over it shortly. I'm slow to tackle new software. I takes me a long time to get it memorized or copied down.

[loninappleton]

I still use VD and VDmod all the time. They do take a bit of time to learn, but have a lot of options for filtering and are fairly easy to use.
AVIDemux is more of a quick editor and I don't really use it for filtering or fixing messed up videos.

You may already know that MKV (H.264) is terrible for editing mainly because the key frames (I frames) are very far apart, and you need to cut on them to avoid re-encoding.

Learning AVISynth is really the way to go, but lots more time to learn.

Yes the mention of re-encoding comes up and I don't know how that applies to the Group of Pictures.

What follows then is what's better: H265? I 'm using Handbrake for my dvd encodes now rather than the older AutoGK. Can you recommend how to make settings for a preset?

[Baldrick]

Download the Matroska source filter for VirtualDub -- the VirtualDub page here has links to it. Put Matroska.vdplugin in VirtualDub's plugins32 folder. You can now open MKV files with VirtualDub. You still might need a VFW decoder for the codec used.

I will need a direct link for this. No luck using Videohelp search with what you've given.

http://gral.y0.pl/~fcchandler/Plugins/Matroska/

[jagabo]

I'm slow to tackle new software. I takes me a long time to get it memorized or copied down.

You don't need to memorize anything. It's conceptually the same in all editors. Mark a section and cut it. Some editors also allow you to mark a section and trim it (keep only that section). All these commands appear in the Edit menu.

Download the Matroska source filter for VirtualDub -- the VirtualDub page here has links to it

I will need a direct link for this. No luck using Videohelp search with what you've given.

Click on the VirtualDub link the quoted text. That takes you too the VirtualDub page here at VideoHelp. That page has links to many source plugins for VirtualDub.

[loninappleton]

Download the Matroska source filter for VirtualDub -- the VirtualDub page here has links to it. Put Matroska.vdplugin in VirtualDub's plugins32 folder. You can now open MKV files with VirtualDub. You still might need a VFW decoder for the codec used.

I will need a direct link for this. No luck using Videohelp search with what you've given.

http://gral.y0.pl/~fcchandler/Plugins/Matroska/

Thanks, Baldrick. I was writing just now to say I found it, but not for all the world at VH.
I used a search and found the fccHandler source. Still have to do the install and there's a readme for that.

[loninappleton]

I'm slow to tackle new software. I takes me a long time to get it memorized or copied down.

You don't need to memorize anything. It's conceptually the same in all editors. Mark a section and cut it. Some editors also allow you to mark a section and trim it (keep only that section). All these commands appear in the Edit menu.

Download the Matroska source filter for VirtualDub -- the VirtualDub page here has links to it

I will need a direct link for this. No luck using Videohelp search with what you've given.

Click on the VirtualDub link the quoted text. That takes you too the VirtualDub page here at VideoHelp. That page has links to many source plugins for VirtualDub.

See below. I managed to find it but the VH software selection kept coming up empty for
search keys such matroska plugin. I eventually got it through a search engine query. I appreciate your patience with my rudimentary questions.

[transporterfan]

http://www.solveigmm.com/en/products/avi-trimmer-mkv/

It's far more stable...imho.

[loninappleton]

What would get me started is knowing how to tag and snip a 2hr mkv.
Somehow I got the sequence and keystrokes mixed trying to mark an act break.

Are you asking how to mark a section and remove it from the video? It's pretty much the same as in VirtualDub. You find the start of what you want to cut and Edit -> Set Marker A. Find the end of what you want to cut and Edit -> Set Marker B. Then Edit -> Cut. Repeat for each section you want to remove. Then File -> Save -> Save Video.

Those instructions use the menus but you can see the equivalent button images and keystrokes in those menus:


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This may need clarification: I want to make two files at the edit not delete something. MKVMerge was good at simply making two files one called 001 and another called 002.

I have to print this off and will do that and ask any followups.

[loninappleton]

http://www.solveigmm.com/en/products/avi-trimmer-mkv/

It's far more stable...imho.

It may be more stable but it's got 'bundleware' warning on it. I just went through bundleware hell with another software install. There's a post about it on VH.

Perhaps you know of a source for an iso or something which is clean at Oldversion or the
equivalent?

[loninappleton]

Rather than making a long quoted section I'll just ask this:

I followed the instructions from the Fcchandler MKV plugin. I made the folder to match the plugin32 folder with no caps. I put the matroska plugin in there-- meaning used the Matroska64 plugin in the matroska64 folder.

Virtual dub does not see this yet in it's plugin tab. How does it get recognized? Also is there yet another plugin for bare mp4 files? Matroska is the container-- another source of endless confusion for me.

Please provide the steps to get the plugin properly installed. Apparently a readme is insufficient and looks like it contains an error in plugin folder naming conventions (cap versus lower case.)

[jagabo]

You must use 32 bit plugins with 32 bit VIrtualDub. Or 64 bit plugins with 64 bit VirtualDub. Plugins go directly in the plugins or plugins32 folder, not in a subfolder down from there. The Matroska plugin is for opening Matroska (MKV) files, not MP4 files.

[loninappleton]

You must use 32 bit plugins with 32 bit VIrtualDub. Or 64 bit plugins with 64 bit VirtualDub. Plugins go directly in the plugins or plugins32 folder, not in a subfolder down from there. The Matroska plugin is for opening Matroska (MKV) files, not MP4 files.

I don't know if it's worth it for us to go through this because as stated cutting/editing may not work well.
But just answer this: What I don't see in the current install is anything in the plugins tab. How Does Virtual dub discover it's plugins?

I may have to reinstall VD to comply with the matroska64 plugin format.

All these multiple installs to do one thing are confusing and probably wheel- spinning as well.

No answer has been forthcoming on the H264 cut on keyframe problem. Has that ever been resolved in h265?

[jagabo]

Source plugins do not appear in Options -> Plug-ins dialog. They appear in the File -> Open Video File dialog, near the bottom, in the Files Of Type pulldown. The MKV plugin will be used automatically when you open an MKV file.

h.265 has the same keyframe issues as h.264.

[racer-x]

Did you even read post #8? This is ridiculously easy to do and it also works with h.265. Get the portable version of XmediaRecode. No crapware or anything like that......

If I were to do this in Virtualdub, I would use the ffmpeg input driver. However you'll always end up re-encoding with Virtualdub. To each their own.

[loninappleton]

Did you even read post #8? This is ridiculously easy to do and it also works with h.265. Get the portable version of XmediaRecode. No crapware or anything like that......

If I were to do this in Virtualdub, I would use the ffmpeg input driver. However you'll always end up re-encoding with Virtualdub. To each their own.

I will d/l and look at XmediaRecode today.

[loninappleton]

You must use 32 bit plugins with 32 bit VIrtualDub. Or 64 bit plugins with 64 bit VirtualDub. Plugins go directly in the plugins or plugins32 folder, not in a subfolder down from there. The Matroska plugin is for opening Matroska (MKV) files, not MP4 files.

Should I provide a screen shot of my install (matched 32 with 32 folder which still produces the
unknown filetype error in Virtual Dub 1.10....?

I'm exploring all the ways I might accomplish my task and may have to avoid VD if I can't get an mkv to load.

[jagabo]

Should I provide a screen shot of my install

Sure.

[loninappleton]

Source plugins do not appear in Options -> Plug-ins dialog. They appear in the File -> Open Video File dialog, near the bottom, in the Files Of Type pulldown. The MKV plugin will be used automatically when you open an MKV file.

h.265 has the same keyframe issues as h.264.

I reread this just now. Maybe my plugin will be found. Still, a drag and drop of an mkv has failed with the filetype unknown error.

I may have a container/file type mismatch which I just considered. Bare with me.
What should I look for to get this going in Media Info?