29.97NTCS to Pal question

[AJ]

Hi,

It seems (and I searched the web) that it 's not so easy as I would expect.
I want to convert Enterprise eps mpeg-1/NTCS 352-240 into mpeg-2/Pal 352-288 to burn to miniDVD so my player can cope with it, or better: my TV
With Tsunami it seems to work only if I encode both audio and video together and later demux it, to feed into DVDMaestro.
DVDMaestro however still says in the properties: NTCS 352-240 25!!!fps

Is this a error on my part? It seems to work in my DVDplayer and TV.
Maybe a bit hurried now and then...not sure yet.

Is there a proven way to do this properly?

Thanks in advance for any info,

Regards,

AJ

[tipped_033]

The easiest way to convert, and the best, is to use TMPGEnc. You can find it on this site. Just open your movie/video clip, then under configure, change the size (resolution) to your desire (352 x 288). Then under Aspec Ratio, change that to 4:3 625 line (if it is not widescreen) and change it to 16:9 625 line (if widescreen). Last, change the Frame Rate to 25 fps. Then click OK. Now, encode that stuff! (and then it is the way you want)

[tipped_033]

The easiest way to convert, and the best, is to use TMPGEnc. You can find it on this site. Just open your movie/video clip, then under configure, change the size (resolution) to your desire (352 x 288). Then under Aspec Ratio, change that to 4:3 625 line (if it is not widescreen) and change it to 16:9 625 line (if widescreen). Last, change the Frame Rate to 25 fps. Then click OK. Now, encode that stuff! (and then it is the way you want)

[AJ]

nope, tmpgenc throws away 4,97 frames which makes the movie unwatchable.
Fortunately my video can play ntsc on pal TV:)

Next time I 'll try not to post questions which cannnot be answered:D

[Douglesh]

Yep. It throws away 5FPS making the movie jerky, therefore what you do is the following, it can be complex at first, but it gets really easy.

1) encode ONLY the video stream to 352x288 25FPS PAL, with the setting DO NOT FRAME RATE CONVERSION checked, MAKE SURE IT IS CHECKED!

2) Extract audio from the original NTSC stream with VDub, or any other suitable proggie

3) download cooledit (available EASILY), and open the WAV audio file you extracted in step 2.

4) Note the length of the encoded PAL video stream (it should vary to the original)

5) stretch the audio stream extracted in step 2 to the length of the PAL encoded video stream. Make sure you do a time shift, preserving the pitch. This will vary the tempo of the audio, but the variance will be unnoticable

6) Mux the Edited audio file with the PAL stream, they should both have the exact same duration if you have followed the steps properly

7) You will now have a PAL stream with audio IN SYNC with NO FRAME LOSS. Enjoy!

[AJ]

Really? Great response. Thanks. Kinda the same when going to ntsc from pal then (apart from the IVTC).
What does it mean when Tsunami doesn 't framerate convert?

I keep the movies now at NTSC and allthough my TV can 't handle it it 's playing great. It suspect my VCR is doing the conversion.

Is the same true for NTSC 23.97???

I 'll try and let you know...

AJ

[Douglesh]

When TMPGENC doesnt framerate convert, it means it will use the ORIGINAL number of frames, but play them back at a different frequency (25Hz). IE, if your original movie contains 100000 frames in NTSC, but you convert it to pal by changing the framerate, it will drop many of those 100000 frames, resulting in a jerky movie. If you select DO NOT FRAME RATE CONVERSION, then it will use all those 100000 frames, but play it back at a framerate of 25 instead of 29.97 resulting in a shorter movie, with no frame drops

[AJ]

I see...thank goodness I can play NTSC. What a hassle.

Thanks again;)

AJ