25.5GB video to disk media

[tinpanalley]

I've only got 25GB BD media but I need to get a 25.5 GB file onto disk. I never rely solely on HDDs.
How can I keep this uncompressed video file on disc? Can it be zipped? Any ideas?

[jman98]

Buy a USB flash drive. Patriot makes the best. With proper care, it should last a long time if stored there. Newegg.com is selling a USB 2.0 Patriot 32 GB flash drive for $17.99 plus 99 cents shipping.

There are BD-R DL (50GB) discs, but nobody really knows a lot about them. Buy Verbatim if you want to try this.

You can try to zip, but it most likely won't get it small enough to fit on a single layer BD-R disc.

[tinpanalley]

Ok, great help. Thanks. Unfortunately I've moved to Europe, no newegg, and still haven't found a suitably comparable shop online in Europe. But Amazon is often just as good. So you'd say it's just as safe to use USB flash storage?

[jman98]

All flash storage is not the same. Patriot is the best. Buy them if you can. Others I would trust are Kingston and PYI. Cheaper flash storage by other manufacturers may not be safe for long term storage.

Here's an Amazon.fr link:
http://www.amazon.fr/Patriot-PEF32GSBUSB-Cl%C3%A9-USB-3-0/dp/B007JPVYFO/ref=sr_1_15?ie...ot+flash+drive

If you live near a FNAC you can check their prices too. The above is only for USB 3,0.

[jman98]

One more thing - ALWAYS either eject the flash drive from the computer or power off the device that uses it BEFORE you remove it or bad things may happen to your files.

[tinpanalley]

I was also thinking of going into the timeline of this project and exporting it into two slightly overlapping halves so that I can just use the 25GB discs I have. Why are 50GB discs so mysterious? Surely, Sony must use some disc manufacturer to burn their PS3 games onto?

Sidenote on USB flashdrives - aren't Corsair good as well? I've often been told to get those.

[jman98]

Nobody really knows how good the 50 GB BD-R DL discs are or how long they will last. You take your chances with them. Commercial pressed discs like you are talking about are completely different from consumer burnable media that I am talking about.

I think I've got a Corsair too that I picked up from someone, but Patriot is really the best.

[tinpanalley]

I buy Taiyo Yuden for CD-R and would gladly do the same for BD media, it just appears that Verbatim/Mitsubishi are the best out there. There must be a way to find out what Sony uses for the games and those would be the most reliable I'd think.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll look into a Patriot but I don't expect to find one at fnac. Maybe Darty. Are you aware of other online shops in Europe for tech and media?

[poisondeathray]

If it's minimally compressed or uncompressed video , you can get it to fit easily by using 7zip, winrar, zip etc... or similar archiving compression tools.

However, if it's already heavily compressed video (eg. h264), you won't benefit very much . You can use mediainfo for more information on the type of video and audio compression

[tinpanalley]

Well, it's MY video and as I said in the first post it's completely uncompressed.

[poisondeathray]

Well, it's MY video and as I said in the first post it's completely uncompressed.

Then it's not an issue . You can probably reduce it by 40-50% with 7zip or similar tools . But of course this means access is more difficult (it need to be unarchived in order to access it, you can't just pop in a BD and access it )

Some people say "Uncompressed" video but they don't really mean uncompressed video (e.g. uncompressed RGB or YUV) ; I didn't want to assume anything

Alternatively , you can encode the video with lossless compression (then you could access it easier) e.g. lagarith, ut video codec, etc... many others

[jman98]

Then it's not an issue . You can probably reduce it by 40-50% with 7zip or similar tools . But of course this means access is more difficult (it need to be unarchived in order to access it, you can't just pop in a BD and access it )

People are certainly welcome to try and I suppose this would fall under the "anything can happen" category, but in general what you said is just simply wrong. People cannot usually reduce video file sizes by 40-50% with 7zip, etc. 1-2% is more likely. Have you even tried this? Video and audio files aren't Word documents, where such large compression is actually possible.

[poisondeathray]

Then it's not an issue . You can probably reduce it by 40-50% with 7zip or similar tools . But of course this means access is more difficult (it need to be unarchived in order to access it, you can't just pop in a BD and access it )

People are certainly welcome to try and I suppose this would fall under the "anything can happen" category, but in general what you said is just simply wrong. People cannot usually reduce video file sizes by 40-50% with 7zip, etc. 1-2% is more likely. Have you even tried this? Video and audio files aren't Word documents, where such large compression is actually possible.

Yes, for uncompressed video (uncompressed YUV or RGB), the number is easily 40-50% . I suggest you try it if you don't believe the facts.

For compressed video, like MPEG2, maybe 1-2% ; For DV ~ 9-10%. For h.264, it can sometimes increase the size

[tinpanalley]

[QUOTE=poisondeathray;2245483]

Some people say "Uncompressed" video but they don't really mean uncompressed video (e.g. uncompressed RGB or YUV) ; I didn't want to assume anything
Alternatively , you can encode the video with lossless compression (then you could access it easier) e.g. lagarith, ut video codec, etc... many others

Thanks for the reply. Sorry if I sounded abrasive. I assume on this forum that I don't need to explain certain background things because of the pro level of the users but I should have been more thorough...
I'm a filmmaker. I need to backup this project to disc because after years of losing projects on hdds I refuse to ever make a master backup to anything other than disc media anymore. I have had the best quality hdds go bad on me (and I know how to care for my computer gear) and I STILL have backups on DVD and CD media from 13 years ago that load like they were burned 10 minutes ago.
I have to keep my projects uncompressed even if split out onto several discs because I simply never know if I'll ever have to re-edit, output differently, compress to a different quality, etc. I don't need these video-only outputs to be watchable/accessible, just stored safely.

[poisondeathray]

Obviously if it's important , do multiple backups, both HDD and optical media, maybe even cloud storage as a 3rd

I never archive uncompressed, always lossless compression. You can read the BD's (or any media) right in your editing software . There is no worry that you won't be able to find that lossless codec 10 years from now, because there are open source varieties

But the benefit of using archiving software, is that you can do a CRC or similar checks to test the integrity of the archive. If it's just a losslessly compressed video, you might not be aware that an error occurred somewhere, and there is no way to scan it to check

[Brad]

Everyone else let it slip the second time since it's OT, but

There must be a way to find out what Sony uses for the games and those would be the most reliable I'd think.

Again, those are pressed discs just the same as Blu-ray movies.

[jman98]

Everyone else let it slip the second time since it's OT, but

Nope. Covered it in my 3rd post above.

[tinpanalley]

Thanks guys. Lots of help here.

[Brad]

Everyone else let it slip the second time since it's OT, but

Nope. Covered it in my 3rd post above.

Re-read my post. Your (4th) post was before he reiterated his question.

[poisondeathray]

And another benefit going the archiving software route like winrar - you can build the archive with a % recovery record. So even damaged archives can often be repaired . Of course this doesn't help if the problem is the media