QDEO with 2D to 3D conversion

[alexh110]

I've been looking for a blu-ray player that has both QDEO and 2D to 3D conversion; but am struggling to find one!

The 2D to 3D processing seems to be featured in Samsung and Panasonic players; whereas the QDEO technology is found in Philips, LG and Oppo products. Just wondered if there any brands that feature both together?

Ideally I'd like a SCART output too; but they seem to be almost unheard of on blu-ray players! Very odd, since they're an essential requirement for backwards compatibility with older TVs.

[aedipuss]

2d to 3d is normally implemented in the tv. my samsung plasma does sbs -> 3d, top'n'bottom -> 3d, and anything faked -> 3d. blu-ray players need to be 3d ready to play a 3d blu-ray disc., but 3d glasses and tv are still required.

very soon ONLY hdmi out will be allowed on blu-ray players. i can't recall the cut off date but if you search it'll pop up.

for 3d ready and qdeo try oppo brand.

[alexh110]

Nearly all blu-ray players are 3D-ready these days.
I don't have a 3D TV, and am not planning to buy one for a while; but want to make sure my blu-ray player is "future-proofed". I think 2D-3D would be a nice feature to have once I eventually go 3D, and some players do implement it.

I think the Oppo is a bit too expensive; is there perhaps a cheaper option with QDEO?

[aedipuss]

don't know if any are cheaper but there is a list on the product page.
http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/qdeo/

[Cornucopia]

Nearly all blu-ray players are 3D-ready these days.
I don't have a 3D TV, and am not planning to buy one for a while; but want to make sure my blu-ray player is "future-proofed". I think 2D-3D would be a nice feature to have once I eventually go 3D, and some players do implement it.

I think the Oppo is a bit too expensive; is there perhaps a cheaper option with QDEO?

Wow, that is so NOT TRUE!

3D capability on BD players is still quite the premium. You can get BD players for less than $100 US now, but NONE of them will have 3D capability.

Also, if you really care about 3D, stop with the attempt to go 2D->3D. Just like mono->stereo, stereo->surround, black+white->color, any type of "realtime, automatic" conversion attempt is totally doomed from the start.
Either it will be so crappy that it will put you off of 3D for a long while, or it'll be crappy but you won't care/notice, which is pretty much just as bad.

Scott

[alexh110]

OK then I stand corrected. It's just that most of the players I've looked at on UK websites seem to be 3D capable, especially the 2011 models.

Re: 2D to 3D, I think even if it's crappy, it might be fun to see old holiday videos in 3D!

[aedipuss]

even though my samsung does full frame 1080p 3d, the 2d -> 3d fake 3d is pretty awful and completely useless.

[mazinz]

OK then I stand corrected. It's just that most of the players I've looked at on UK websites seem to be 3D capable, especially the 2011 models.

Re: 2D to 3D, I think even if it's crappy, it might be fun to see old holiday videos in 3D!

No it would be crappy in the sense of that it looks like something is going on with the picture but you can't tell what. You will virtually not see any difference between your regular 2d pic and the on the fly 3d one the machine would create

[Cornucopia]

I think you would see a difference, but the difference would be WEIRD!

Like, you might see a scene that was a landscape with a few people in the foreground standing there (no horizontal movement). What might be going on is that the processor applies a progressive parallax based on ramp function going from the bottom of the screen to the top (or near the top) to simulate horizon lines. Well, those people standing in the foreground are going to look in 3D like they've been stretched from near to far like some playdough-fun-factory-extrusion!

They're just no way they are smart enough to accommodate the whole variety of real-world differences in images.

BTW, I stand slightly corrected: Sony is selling their BDP-S480 3DBD player for $89US right now, so there's not NONE. I was pleasantly surprised. But that's still an anomaly for under-$100 BD players.

Scott

[alexh110]

BTW, I stand slightly corrected: Sony is selling their BDP-S480 3DBD player for $89US right now, so there's not NONE. I was pleasantly surprised. But that's still an anomaly for under-$100 BD players.

There aren't any that cheap in the UK! Our consumer electronics always seem to be more expensive than yours.
The Oppo BD93 is £500, which is around $750; whereas US reviewers recommend a price of $500!

[jagabo]

3D capability on BD players is still quite the premium. You can get BD players for less than $100 US now, but NONE of them will have 3D capability.

Amazon has lots of 3d players in the $80 to $90 range now. I think I've seen a few for $60 in the last few weeks.

[mazinz]

I think you would see a difference, but the difference would be WEIRD!

Like, you might see a scene that was a landscape with a few people in the foreground standing there (no horizontal movement). What might be going on is that the processor applies a progressive parallax based on ramp function going from the bottom of the screen to the top (or near the top) to simulate horizon lines. Well, those people standing in the foreground are going to look in 3D like they've been stretched from near to far like some playdough-fun-factory-extrusion!

They're just no way they are smart enough to accommodate the whole variety of real-world differences in images.

BTW, I stand slightly corrected: Sony is selling their BDP-S480 3DBD player for $89US right now, so there's not NONE. I was pleasantly surprised. But that's still an anomaly for under-$100 BD players.

Scott

I have one device (from a few years back) that is supposed to do such a thing (analog signal) called "virtualfx', I also was in touch with a few people who had other similar devices. We did a lot of comparisons. On most of these devices you could at least adjust the parallax, but the results were mostly all the same-- virtually no to little effect on much of anything. You never get much of a depth nor any to real "POP" so to speak. PC software (if allowed to do it automatically) does the same.

The only real 2d to 3d type conversion I have seen that does work are if the user/company actually does a lot formatting and tracing around certain opjects (or more so along the lines of a traveling matte and rotoscoping). In that type, yes it does work, but these on the fly machines for 2d to 3d really fail pretty bad, or enough so that most would not notice any real difference between the 2d and 3d image.

A slew of films that razor 3d released on dvd that do sport the 2d to 3d conversion (such as monster from a prehistoric planet) enforce it a step further of how bad it does not work when not done correctly