vhs to pc to dvd

[TONYNINER]

My mistake for the deletion... was on accident, but, oh well...shit happens...

If my way is so flawed, how come it works and it looks good and I have no audio to video sync problems?

I tried your way and unfortunately it did not work, it showed the same problem that I originally started with, which was audio out of sync within approximately 25-30 into playtime.

I have done my research, read everything that I could on this problem, many, many, many suggestions given, I even rebuilt and reconfigured my computer for optimum operation to find a way to get rid of my sync issues, whether is was the computer itself, the hardware used or the software used, and I made use of what I had to work with. I even tried using a dedicated CTX vhs to dvd capture card and it's software by Cyberlink and also Pinnacle's USB DVD Dazzler and even had problems with these types of capture equipment with sync issues. Thank goodness for refunds!

So to all who have ventured into this challenge and ended up with bad results for whatever reason,
and many, many, many recommendations have been given to cure the problem, I hope you find your solutions.

My way may not be the most correct, most perfect, most optimal, most fastest, or whatever else you wish to call it,
I just wanted to report on a way that may help other possibly find a cure for this bug.

P.S. the out of sync is on the burned dvd not on the files, showed good on the computer thru the whole program.

From what I have read, all the mpeg's have some sort of problem, that's why I used the work-around by using avi and VirtualDub 1.7.7 just because of it's capabilities to deal with audio sync issues that I cannot correct, I do not forsee NERO7 being part of the problem.

One last note: I have not noticed any type of video degredation or poor picture quality, what ever is on the tape is what you get on the dvd, it all depends on how good the picture quality is on the tape that affects the quality of the dvd.

[thecoalman]

That card appears is a hardware MPEG encoder, capturing to anything else provides no benefit and will actually degrade the video:

http://www.kworldcomputer.com/product/analog/002/pvr-tv7131.htm#003

Use the software provided with the card for capture, capture at 720x480 MPEG2 8000kbps -or- if you want a smaller file 352x480 4000kbps. You can of course experiment here, the bitrates suggested will give you the best quailty for those resolutions but you can try lowering them if you want. but the main thing is you want to use MPEG2 ... audio for DVD has to be 48000 Hz, note that you have a typo. It's not a bitrate but the frequency.

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More importantly you want to use software that is not going to reencode this video except where needed, the capture format is already DVD compliant. That means the end quality is entirely based on your capture. Roxio and Nero have been notorious for reencoding already DVd compliant material and I can't help you there..

[TONYNINER]

Sorry folks, should have not posted my findings.

[thecoalman]

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2) I have tried mpeg2 but am not happy with it, avi seems to work better for me and I don't have to mess around with settings.

To understand why you use MPEG you first have to understand how your card works. It converts to MPEG as soon as it's captured, if you're using a setting in virtualdub to capture to AVI it's taking this MPEG and converting it to something else on the fly, DVD IS MPEG2 so converting it to anything from the original MPEG2 capture is not only pointless but is also going to degrade the video and just to add take longer.

Let me put it to you this way, fundamentally a hardware based MPEG capture card is no different than a DVD recorder. If you ripped a DVD recording from the disc and put it through a bunch of conversions and did god knows what else to it would you expect it to be the same quality as the original on the DVD? Of course not, it would be foolish to think that. This is exactly what you are doing.

If you're having quality issues with a captured MPEG2 it's because of steps you are taking after you have captured the file. Most likey the software you are using. In general the final quality of a DVD when using a hardware based MPEG encoder simply can't get any better than capturing directly to MPEG2 and authoring it to disc. It's all downhill after that, period. I say in general because minor filtering after capture can achieve slightly better results using the right techniques.

5) I have read and researched any and all available material and there is no consistency at all regarding information,

You can take my advice or leave it but in any event you can take what I have posted to the bank.

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[jman98]

You asked for suggestions. You got them. You didn't like what you were told. I can tell you that while thecoalman was a bit blunt (I've been much worse than that, not that I'm proud of it), he is 100% dead on. But you said

4) I am happy with my end results.

That's fine. Nothing else to see here, folks. Time to move on to another post. Nothing else we can say to a guy who doesn't really and truly want to listen to suggestions that don't fit with his pre-conceived ideas.

In the future, I would suggest that you not ask for suggestions if you don't want to hear that what you are doing is less than optimal. If you are unable to conceive of the idea that you might not be doing things the best way and you are perfectly happy with what you are doing, there really is no point in asking for advice.

[TONYNINER]

To mr coalman and jman98: I treid your recommended settings and here is my report:

Unfortunately your suggestion did NOT work, I still ended up with out of sync voice to video after approximately 30 minutes of play time. I will stick to what I know works.

[thecoalman]

That's some report Tony, lots of detail... BTW, deleting your original post is quite childish. You asked for advice and got it, just because you're method is flawed and you don't like what you hear is no reason to take your ball and go home.

I still ended up with out of sync voice to video after approximately 30 minutes of play time.

Where is the source of the out of sync start? Is the captured file out of sync or is it after you create a DVD that it goes out of sync?

A search brings up numerous issues with Nero 7 and OOS problems when using MPEG as a source....

[thecoalman]

Just noticed he deleted original post, so as I have not wasted my time here is the OP's original posts:

First post:

My system: biggrin.gif Asus P4P800ED, P4 3.0GHz cpu, 2GB of pc3200 memory, using 2 RAID0 setups as follows: 1) Promise FastTrax RAID Controller using 2 Maxtor 30GB 7200rpm PATA133 striped to 60GB and my windows OS is installed here. 2) Intel RAID Controller using 2 SATA 200GB 7200rpm striped to 400GB as a dedicated video capture drive. The Intel RAID controller is not set up to be bootable, I turned this off, otherwise the computer defaults to this controller to be the main drive when I install windowsXP SP2. I have a Sony 720A DVD-RW burner with the latest firmware update, Sony DVD reader, Sony 52x32x52 CD-RW and Sony CD reader.

I also make sure that ALL background programs are turned off, I even disconnect/disable my internet connection so I have full resources available for capture.

confused.gif I have gone around and around using different resolution settings (720x480, 620x480, 320x240, no 352x480, this is all my tv tuner/capture card allows for NTSC, the card is a K-World V-Stream studio tv terminator card using the most latest driver and program for tv from K-World Taiwan website) I don't mess with the Kbps setting because I have NO IDEA what to use here (the card defaults to a 4000Kbps setting with the mpeg2 resolution size), but was later notified I should use 352x480 4500Kbps bitrate 29.97fps and 4800Kbps for audio, (again, I do not have 352x480 available to me on the card). I do not use mpeg2.

noexpression.gif This is how I capture video at this point: I use an RCA 4 head VHS Stereo vcr (no s-video, use composite RCA jacks), use VirtualDub 1.7.7 to capture in AVI format using 320x480 at 2000Kbps bitrate (this is a fixed value), 44100Kbps 16 bit for audio then I use NERO7 to transcode and burn to dvd. The quality of the dvd to me looks just as good (or maybe a little bit better) that the source tape, depending on how old or new the video is, I know it's not going to be as sharp as the new stuff today BUT I am more than satisfied at the end result, what I would consider a keepable dvd and very watchable, very clear (for VHS resolution) with no pixelation or fuzziness around the edges, audio is dead on time.

mad.gif The problem I was working around was audio to video falling out of sync during playback on the dvd which occurred after anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes (depending on what was captured) using the other software supplied by K-World. If I cut up my video capture to 30 mins. or less, I had no problems, But by using VirtualDub 1.7.7 (has audio to video sync) I have eliminated this problem and can capture over 2 hrs. of video without this problem. I have captured and recorded 3.5 hr football games recorded on VHS tape using SLP when games were recorded, and the tape speed I am going to ASSUME had no detrimental effect on the captured video.

When using VirtualDub 1.7.7, I make sure that under the video tab I use the full video processing and under the audio tab I use the full audio processing as well. I do not use the direct stream capture that the audio defaults to.

rolleyes.gif Believe me, I have made a few coasters along the way (due to the sync problem) but I think I have found the magic recipe for getting what I wanted out of the VHS capture, and I have not been dissappointed yet. up until now I have done at least 10 projects using this method (I cannot guarantee that this will work for you) and every dvd has come out the way I expected. I have had feedback from friends and relatives on my dvd's and they have told me that they are very surprised at how well the dvd's turned out.

I may not be using the correct settings, all I know that this particular system that I use works!

If you have any suggestions as to settings that would increase the quality of my projects, I would greatly appreciate your feedback. biggrin.gif

Second post:

1) excuse me for not being correct but I am not an expert on this, I did this as trial and error, I am only reporting what worked for me.
2) I have tried mpeg2 but am not happy with it, avi seems to work better for me and I don't have to mess around with settings.
3) the software that came with the card is terrible, no instructions on how to use it or play with settings, that is why I use VirtualDub 1.7.7.
4) I am happy with my end results.
5) I have read and researched any and all available material and there is no consistency at all regarding information, so I did it my way and this is what I found to work, bottom line, I got rid of the out of sync issue.

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