Which S-VHS Model#'s (AG-1980, JVC 7600-V101) DON'T play VHS recded in SLP?

[gymnastgirl]

Can someone pleeease help me? I have been reading these posts for days sometimes 5 hours at a time until my eyes get blurry and then edDV dropped a bomb on all my research and said that most S-VHS Models don't play VHS tapes recorded in SLP or EP speed. Almost all of my VHS and VHS-C tapes are recorded on the SLP speed or equivilant on the VHS-C tapes because I wanted to have the most recording time for my home/sporting event videos without someone having to change tapes. I want to convert all those tapes (up to 15 years old) to digital because some tapes are getting sticky and won't even rewind in my tape rewinder. I am reading so much because I have seen so many lame conversions and I want 100% of the detail from my analogue tapes viewable on the DVD copy I make (I want to see the crowd's/judge's facial expressions while I perform my gymnastic routine so I want at least EXACT conversions -enhanced would obviously be better (when they clear up a blurry/dark image) but I think that is only in the movies). Can someone please tell me which models do NOT play tapes recorded on those slowest speeds out of the Panasonic AG-1980 and the JVC's 7600 - V101 models? Thank you.

[gshelley61]

You might try downloading the instruction manuals...

http://books.jvcservice.com/

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OperMan/


The two I looked (the HR-S7600 and the AG-1980) can record and playback in SP and EP (SLP)...

http://books.jvcservice.com/download/593112814/19554.pdf

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/AG1980P.PDF


The large, very expensive professional broadcast videotape machines that you find at TV stations and in video editing studios are generally single speed.

[classfour]

gshelley is correct: The only VCR that I've had that would not play SLP tapes is a HUGE Panasonic broadcast VCR (AG7300???) and I retired it for that reason - the newer JVC that I use (a 5900, I believe) plays everything that I throw at it.

[gymnastgirl]

Thank you very much classfour, and gshelley61 it was so sweet of you to find and read those links for me. You are so awesome for helping people for over a year now according to your posts. I read that you had a AG-1970, were you able to play SLP recorded VHS tapes in that with excellent playback results or did the playback have less detail than I would get using a brand new JVC s5912 or s3912 S-VHS?

[Dragonsf]

Playback of tapes with diffrent recording speed then standard, will only be played excellently (if such thing exists) on the same machine. My S-VHS can play such tapes, but they are noisy (recorded on a SONY).

[edDV]

Basic assumption for S-VHS is

Consumer models support the slower speeds
Pro editing - playback models are SP only
Certain business models designed for conference rooms probably support slow speeds

Always research the specs before you buy.

[gshelley61]

Thank you very much classfour, and gshelley61 it was so sweet of you to find and read those links for me. You are so awesome for helping people for over a year now according to your posts. I read that you had a AG-1970, were you able to play SLP recorded VHS tapes in that with excellent playback results or did the playback have less detail than I would get using a brand new JVC s5912 or s3912 S-VHS?

I don't have any experience with the slower speed tapes so I can't say for sure.

[vhelp]

evening gymnastgirl,

The only thing that I might suggest for you is to post some sample AVI's
so that others here can review them for possible solutions and what-not.

You can use any one of these:

** www.bestsharing.com
** www.megaupload.com

-vhelp 4227

[Rich86]

I expect you will find most every consumer grade vcr will play back tapes recorded at any of the available recording speeds (sp, lp, ep).
However, there are some jvc decks that tend to operate out of spec - causing tracking problems when tapes recorded on them are played back on other models. This problem is especially evident with tapes recorded in s-vhs mode in slp (or ep).
Some testing with a few tapes before purchasing your new deck should help identify any potential problems. Or have the new deck adjusted professionally to compensate.

[vhelp]

Evening gymnastgirl,

You mention something about a VHS-C tape(s) (a format I'm not very familiar with)
and I'm not sure how you are going about playing this type of tape (or conversion)
in a different vcr all-together. This could be a small part of your problem, but
I'm not sure, cause I don't really know that format.

But, for now..

When I think of *home movies* I don't think of chroma noise as being similar to
standard VHS tapes run through your tipicle home vcr. I think that about now,
we are finally familiar with the day-to-day likes of chroma noise. We may have
a few versions of our own -- perception'wise, but it's all the same, just the same.

Now, when we speak of home movies, I think that things are a little different,
at least in terms of noise -- be it chroma noise or some other internal format,
noise.

And, the noise that I am refering to, are basically the color channels mixing
together to form the final pixel you see in each frame of video. Some of the
noise is exhibited through the "sampling of the video pixels/scaline" process.
In other words, the noise sort of comes with the process, as a whole.

When you proceed to capture this video, and from a device (any) you almost all-
ways get other materials mixed in, sort of. Its all a part of the process when
obtaining the video source from:

** Source -> CaptureCard -> PC

And, different things effect (more or less) the final outcome -- the AVI.

The noise comes (or, manufactored) mainly from the CaptureCard. Any other or
residual noise is a by-product of the surrounding wireing/chipset etc between
the Source and the CaptureCard and the Computer.. all become a part of the
final (finished) captured AVI file on your computer.

---

Just in the above section alone, you can get a pretty good idea of the level
of complications of this project. And there's more. For a beginer, this is
not always a good way to start -- speaking on obtaining the best possible
quality from this source format**. There is just too many things to learn,
and the majority of these (techniques) can only be learnt by Practice and
Time. And to go through this level of endeavor, one must have a strong
long-lasting desire to do this, daily. But, for someone who only has plans
for a one-time deal can never really learn this art of TWO; THREE; FOUR; FIVE;
SIX; years worth of Video Capture and Edit, etc. in just a few short days.

** now that they have DVD Recorders to the rescue.

For this cause, it might be a wise solution to go the suggested route of the
DVD Recorder. The only hurdle is deciding on *which* brand/model to start with.

You can still keep (all) the tapes for future re-processing, should you get
a second wind on this Gymnastic video project. Try the dvd recorder route,
and see if you are able to see the detail you are looking for.

I put it to you like this.. if you see the detail from your original source
tapes played onto your tv set, and then later, dvd record (or even, capture)
them, and re-play them on your tv set.. if you see the same level of quality
or close to it, then you are that much closer to your original goal, to
tranfer them to DVD.

But, capturing the tapes can be a messy process, full of heart-acke. Save
this for a rainy day when you think you want to experiment or something.

I'm sorry that I am not as much help at the moment.

-vhelp 4233

[pijetro]

Quickly looking at my 1980P, i can see that it has "Tape Select" of T120,T140 and T160...
The manual states to click into any of those positions for correct timing indication..
As far as playback is concerned, it's automatic...
I only hope your SLP mode on the VHS-C tape isn't more than 160 minutes...