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[baker]

Alright here we go, I will make your mission brief...

Your mission(if u choose to accept it) is to help me create the ultimate xvd (x video disk). When we have got all our info up and ready we are going to try to make a vd that is 1 cd ,excellent quailty,easy to make,fast to convert and plays on dvd players etc...

So here are the questions..

1. resouloution.
First we need to choose a res,it looks as though 352x288 will have to do but I have seen some cool stuff with svcd... (408x576!!!) so if you have any reccommmendiations please post.

2.framerate.
For max compression the lowest framerate will have to be used. 25 frames is the rate of the human eye so should be minnimum,but what about 20fps? I have never tried this fr but once again if anyone has a suddjustion post it.

3.mpeg type.
I am dead set on mpeg 2 vbr seems the best way to do it. Any more comments make them.

4 sound.
I am fan of dolby surround sound and want to keep it so will sudjest 160 stereo audio. It is the absoulout min.

right here are my current settings from this post.

1=352x288
2=25fps (or 20fps?)
3=mpeg2 vbr.
4=160 stereo.

Right just so everything dosn't get confusing when making a post simply do as I have above( 1= 2= etc..) then state your reasons for picking these settings.

Baker

[JHebert]

1. Since you want only 1 CD you will have to use 352x288 PAL or 352x240 NTSC. Higher resolution would require higher bitrate and more CDs.

2. You will have to use 25fps PAL or 23.97fps NTSCfilm or 29.97 NTSC. Anything else probably won't play correctly in DVD player.

3. Personally I would use mpeg1 vbr because this would create XVCD which is much more widely supported than XSVCD on a lot of DVD players. Also I think TMPGEnc encodes mpeg1 better than mpeg2 particularly at low bitrates.

4. You can lower the audio as low as 128Kbs mpeg1-layer2 and still have decent quality. Also you need all the extra video bitrate you can get with only 1 CD of space.

[homerpez]

I very much disagree with JHerbert's #1 answer, I'll get to that below. As to #2, I agree. #3? I'll get to that. #4... agreed.

Okay, I'll answer your question by offering you my solution for your exact problem. You will be making a fully-supported, actual, real, to-spec, SVCD. Keep in mind this won't work for everything, but I think you can use this formula.

I'm assuming you're playing back on a regular analog TV. I'm also assuming the length of most movies is about 90 minutes or so. Is so, let's continue.

Encode the audio to .mp2 format first. I use TMPGEnc for this. Use a bitrate of 128k.

Then, frameserve your video (resized and filtered by the frameserving program) to CCE.

Before you start encoding, input the total time of your movie into FitCD's calculator (use the formula for SVCD, bbMPEG mux and VCDImager burn). Select 128k stereo audio in the calculator. Now, take the AVG bitrate they give you, and subtract 5 from that number. This will be your AVG bitrate for CCE.

Now go ahead and encode your video. DO NOT LEAVE "AUDIO" CHECKED IN CCE. Make sure to double-click the source file name while under "settings" to change the frame encoding range to 1 less at the end (say it says 124026, make that number 124025).

Now set it up for 3 to 4 passes (I use 4), MPEG-2. Check the appropriate boxes under "Video", leave "GOP" and "Audio" alone. Under "Quality", uncheck the noise reduction and set the motion/flat setting to 20 or so.

For bitrate, use MIN 500-800, AVG (FitCD calc -5), and MAX at 2520 (the standard SVCD bitrate allowed). Encode. If NTSC FILM source to plain NTSC, apply pulldown.exe to the video stream (making 23.976 play at 29.97 rate).

When all goes well (and I hope it does), multiplex video with audio using bbMPEG. Make sure you select the "SVCD" radio button, and put "0" for mux rate. Then just make a disc with your favorite imager/burning combo OTHER THAN NERO.


(Sorry if you're a veteran, baker, this is also for those who aren't, so bear with the details here).

Basically I've found that using CCE, at the same bitrate, can make a sharper, less blocky STANDARD SVCD, than TMPGEnc can make a XVCD. So, why not do so!


Limitations: When the movie gets to be longer than a 90 to 100 minutes, the AVG bitrate will get too low to use (below 900). Some full-frame video may be too much for this setup, as are some 29.97 fps stuff (since you need the extra bitrate).

Strengths: 1 CD = 1 Movie. SVCD res. Sharper, less blocky than TMPGEnc. Perfect for FILM-source or PAL (which only need 24-25 frames a second). Even better with letterboxed movies (black bars = less info to keep track of).


Bascally, the keys to what you want to do are CCE, and CCE, as well as perhaps the use of CCE. Keep TMPGEnc around for audio and frameserving only.

[baker]

Well taking all this into account, I didn't find out anything new. I will try cvd ( remember that?) I never tried that and will check it for quailty.

Baker

[homerpez]

You didn't read mine at all, did you?

What is it exactly you want to find? I've told you the program to use, the acceptable bitrate ranges...

Beyond that I'm afraid you won't find anything that hasn't been tried already. By "cvd", do you mean a low-VBR bitrate non-copmpliant VCD?

[baker]

I want at least 150 mins (!!!!) on 1 cd. ( i am mad arent I !!!) that has brilliant quailty (well 352x228 anyway) and most of all NO BLOCKS!!.

Basicly I want this:

1. 150 mins per cd
2. res of 352x288
3. NO blocks.

If this is possible please help me if not then tell me so.

( a possible mad)
Baker

[baker]

Heres a list of movies and bitrates for cvcd.

List start here:
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Mariano year Mariano year 1:53:30 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 0 950 100% 128 1 80'
Sharp Small pieces Picking Up The Pieces 1:31:17 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ 250 1150 80% 192 1 80'
Dragones and Mazmorras Dungeons & Dragons 1:43:27 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 300 1000 90% 128 1 80'
6º Day The 6th Day 1:58:32 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 100 900 100% 160 1 80'
The Club of Lucha Fight Club 2:13:25 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ 100 1150 65% 112 1 80'
The Collector of Bones The Bone Collector 1:53:08 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 150 1050 100% 192 1 74'
Doctor T. and the Women Dr. T And The Women 1:56:31 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ 250 1150 55% 128 1 74'
Family Man Family Man 2:00:35 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 100 900 100% 128 1 80'
Faust Faust 1:36:42 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ 250 1150 75% 160 1 80'
Frequency Frequency 1:53:44 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 350 950 100% 192 1 80'
House On Haunted Hill House On Haunted Hill 1:29:10 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ 250 1150 100% 160 1 74'
Jack Frost Jack Frost 1:37:00 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 50 1000 100% 160 1 74'
The Cell The Cell 1:44:41 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 100 1050 100% 224 1 80'
The Community The Community 1:44:37 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 0 1000 100% 160 1 80'
The Green Mile The Green Mile 3:00:49 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 150 1150 100% 224 2 74'
Vertical Limit Limit Vertical 1:59:22 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 0 900 100% 128 1 80'
The Parents of Her Meet the Parents 1:43:15 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 0 1050 100% 128 1 80'
Red Planet Network Planet 1:42:08 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 100 1100 100% 192 1 80'
Sleepy Hollow Sleepy Hollow 1:40:55 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 150 1050 100% 224 1 80'
Snatch: Pigs and Diamonds Snatch 1:38:34 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 0 1100 100% 192 1 80'
Space Cowboys Space Cowboys 2:05:06 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 50 900 100% 112 1 80'
Stigmata Stigmata 1:37:58 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 0 950 100% 192 1 74'
Tango for Three Three to Tango 1:34:22 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 700 1150 100% 224 1 80'
Tomb Raider Tomb Raider 1:36:24 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 200 1150 100% 160 1 80'
Three Kings Three Kings 1:50:05 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 150 950 100% 128 1 80'
X-men X-men 1:40:00 TMPGEnc MPEG-1 CQ_VBR 350 1150 100% 224 1 80'
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end of list.

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baker

[Kdiddy]

and I want a million bucks & Lacey Chabert. Wonder which will happen first,

[pinoy2201]

Baker you are asking wy to much out of an XVCD....there is no way in this world that you can fit 150 mins to a singel CDR...and on the VCDSP.com list i think that they are lying about the green mile movie

[w00kiee]

i sorta agree making the svcdto fit scheme.. although 2500 kbps isnt high enough to eliminate blocks
if your player can handle it go with max 4000 kbps.. should only peak there in dark or fast scenes

[dphirschler]

I don't think 150 min movies are possible on a 74 min CD unless you back down to 15 fps or perhaps no audio.


Darryl

[homerpez]

WHOA!

You may be asking way way way too much out of an XVCD... actually, to expect NO blocks may be too much to ask in any case...

However, I will offer this, if you want to experiment...

I have, using the formula I gave you above (CCE, MPEG-2, 480x480, VBR Multi-pass, 128k audio) made a couple of movies that are closer to 2 hours long. I believe one was the movie "Unbreakable", and I forget the other.

"Unbreakable" had everything going for it to work... it was widescreen format (black bars on the top and bottom), FILM rate, and not a whole lot of movement or action, except for maybe 5 minutes worth... So the end result was pretty acceptable.

Basically just follow the formula, but the AVG bitrate will have to be in the "DANGER" zone, I think 700-800 range... it might be ok for movies with not a whole lot of action in them...

As for NO BLOCKS... forget it now... it's nearly impossible. Though I think you'll be happier with CCE's product, which by nature gets "grainy" before "blocky". TMPGEnc will get "blocky" no matter what the bitrate.

[baker]

I am going with 2 cds and a res of either 352x288 or 368x480

Baker