Oversized output file from DVDShrink...

[ntscuser]

I used DVDShrink 3.2 to make a backup disc of a dual layered original and spent most of last night re-encoding the original for maximum smoothness. When I cam to burn it this morning with TDA I was told it was oversize. PgcEdit also reports it as being 100.5% of capacity even thoguh DVDShrink says it's only 98%. I have a lot of experience using DVDShrink and this has never happened to me before.

Okay I could repeat the process all over again by setting DVDShrink to 99.5% capacity but how can I stop this from happening again in future?

TIA

[guns1inger]

I have had DVD Lab report disks as oversized when I have been adding subs (after hand encoding them with CCE), but found that when they are actually burned, they fit OK. I wouldn't take TDA's word for it until you try to burn the disc.

[ntscuser]

I have had DVD Lab report disks as oversized when I have been adding subs (after hand encoding them with CCE), but found that when they are actually burned, they fit OK. I wouldn't take TDA's word for it until you try to burn the disc.

I did try and burn the disc and TDA refused. Two separate programs have reported the file as being oversized so I am guessing they are right and DVDShrink is wrong.

[guns1inger]

Don't burn it with authoring tools, burn it with a burning program.

[ntscuser]

Don't burn it with authoring tools, burn it with a burning program.

TDA already includes a very good burning program, better than Nero, but if a DVD folder is oversized it is oversized. Even if it could be burned to disc using some sleight of hand there is no guarantee it will work on a stand-alone player.

[Noahtuck]

It's oversized because TDA is telling you it is ?

Why don't you just have dvd shrink make an ISO file and burn it with DVD Decrypter.

[ntscuser]

It's oversized because TDA is telling you it is ?

Why don't you just have dvd shrink make an ISO file and burn it with DVD Decrypter.

PgcEdit also says it's oversized. Even DVDShrink admits it's 4.464Gig which I think is illegal?

If the DVD folder is oversized then any ISO file made from it is also likely to be oversized.

[psx_pirate]

Yup ... its oversize ... max size for dvdr is 4.38gb ... just run the files thru dvdshrink again and it will be ok

[ntscuser]

Yup ... its oversize ... max size for dvdr is 4.38gb ... just run the files thru dvdshrink again and it will be ok

Not necessairilly. Since DVDShrink failed to limit the size of the output file correctly the first time there's no reason to expect it to do so this time. Also the picture quality of the twice re-encoded video file will fall off a cliff.

The fault here is in DVDShrink. I could easily have manually reduced the size of the main movie file if DVDShrink had warned me the output file would be too big but it didn't. So I left the level of Shrink on "automatic" and trusted the program to do its job.

[psx_pirate]

Since DVDShrink failed to limit the size of the output file correctly the first time there's no reason to expect it to do so this time. Also the picture quality of the twice re-encoded video file will fall off a cliff.

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no it won't ... you're only gonna shrink it by a tiny bit ... i've done it many times and it makes no difference to the quality for such a tiny amount of shrinkage ..... the best thing is to use deep analysis when transcoding with shrink ... it should then get the size right (altho it takes longer to transcode as it does a 2 pass transcode)

[ntscuser]

Since DVDShrink failed to limit the size of the output file correctly the first time there's no reason to expect it to do so this time. Also the picture quality of the twice re-encoded video file will fall off a cliff.

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no it won't ... you're only gonna shrink it by a tiny bit ... i've done it many times and it makes no difference to the quality for such a tiny amount of shrinkage ..... the best thing is to use deep analysis when transcoding with shrink ... it should then get the size right (altho it takes longer to transcode as it does a 2 pass transcode)

I always use deep analysis.

DVDSHrink has a fault. The defaut file size for DVD-5 is set to 4464MB. Someone in AfterDawn has suggested I set a custom limit in preferences of 4360MB which I have now done. That is the only way to be certain the output file won't go oversize again.

Hope that helps anyone else reading this thread.

Thanks to everyone who replied.

[adam]

This has happened to me on several rare occasions with DVD Shrink. Its not a problem with Shrink's calculations the problem is that it sometimes does not recognize all of the data present. The point is that re-shrinking or redoing the whole thing and compensating for the amount it was off will work. Its not like it will keep getting it wrong. If its 50mb's too big then just reconfigure your settings to remove an extra 50mb. It will work.

I really don't see any reason to set a smaller custom limit. This will just lower quality on all transcodes when this oversize problem seems to be extremely rare. I'd just deal with it when it occurs.

[jimmalenko]

I think everyone's missed the real issue here.

4,464MB (DVDShrink default) is NOT 4.464GB, and will fit on a DVDR without any hassles, as the capacity is about 4482MB. The problem here is that TDA and PGCEdit are too conservative. If I remember rightly, TDA seems to give a "too big" error at anything above 4200MB, whereas you can push up to 4464 easily. PGCEdit must also be conservative.

[Noahtuck]

I think everyone's missed the real issue here.

4,464MB (DVDShrink default) is NOT 4.464GB, and will fit on a DVDR without any hassles, as the capacity is about 4482MB. The problem here is that TDA and PGCEdit are too conservative. If I remember rightly, TDA seems to give a "too big" error at anything above 4200MB, whereas you can push up to 4464 easily. PGCEdit must also be conservative.

Well, guns1inger made it clear (i thought) about TDA & DVD-LAB even showing incorrect sizes, which i have also stated before and know and to use a burning program instead and i told him to use decrypter but he seemed to want to trust these other programs for file size readings instead of just "trying" to burn it and making it harder than i thought it should be so i left it alone :P

[ntscuser]

I think everyone's missed the real issue here.

4,464MB (DVDShrink default) is NOT 4.464GB, and will fit on a DVDR without any hassles, as the capacity is about 4482MB. The problem here is that TDA and PGCEdit are too conservative. If I remember rightly, TDA seems to give a "too big" error at anything above 4200MB, whereas you can push up to 4464 easily. PGCEdit must also be conservative.

According to Pegasys 4064MB is 4.464GB and since it is their write software I am using it is their opinion which counts. TDA doesn't just give a warning, it positively refuses to write the folder and automatically ejects the disc. I've since re-shrunk the file after ammending the target folder size to 4360MB and the disc burned perfectly.

A bigger issue was removing foreign subtitles which caused the player to loop the studio disclaimer notice indefinitely until I re-instated them. In three years of using DVDShrink this is the first time I've encountered either problem.