Good DVD-ROM drives for reading bad discs?

[MrMoody]

Which DVD-ROM drives are really good at reading bad discs? You know, like scratched up DVDs, cheap barely-burned DVDRs, etc.

[lumis]

i've always had good luck with pioneer dvd burners.. especially the pioneer a04/104..

that thing has a great laser..

and they're built like brick shithouses.. i know 2 people who bought them when they first came out and are still using them..

[budz]

I've used my trusty old PLEXTOR 708A for discs that can't be read by my TOSHIBA 1612 DVDROM's, PIONEER 107D, LITEON's 411 & 166S, BENQ 1620 & 1640. But yet sometimes the PLEXTOR 708A can't read a scratched disc but the other DVD BURNERS/DVDROM's can. I have a vast selection to choose from which one of them eventually works.

[spiffy]

I like Lite-On for this purpose. I never had the chance to try out Plextor 708A but as a last resort I would try my 712/716A to see if it can read. But in general if my Lite-On can't read it, I can be pretty certain my Plextors can't read it either...

spiffy