Trouble backing up The Skeleton Key

[jvl10]

I am stumped on this one and since nobody has posted on it I can only assume I'm the only one. I'm trying to back up The Skeleton Key. Its a new movie by Universal not sony but I know it has some sort of funky protection. I have tried just about every program that I know without dropping 50 bucks. Here is what I've tried:
First I used dvdshrink 3.2.0.15 and it analysed fine then I chose compressions and it even compressed the movie fine but when it went to burn it got about a third of the way through and gave me the error "illegal disc". I repeated this and got another coaster. since the output files were on my hd I tried to burn these with Nero and again one third of the way through I got the same message "illegal copy" and this was totally different program. When I opened the output files back into shrink it had an error about vts_08_01 or something.
Next I used dvdfabdecrypter version 2.9.5.8 to rip to hd. shrink couldnt open same vts08 error. I then ran the files through vobblanker because I saw that on a post about madagascar. Shrink opened the new files fine but when it went to burn it got partial way through and gave me the illegal copy error.
Also the whole time Im doing this Im running anydvd in the background. it says it is CSS protected and no other protection is showing.
I also tried using plain old dvdfab to make two discs from the hd files and it splits fine. But when I go to burn with Nero it freezes on the writing lead in only to find it has actually burned a third of the disc and died right where it did before.
The only other information I can give is all the versions I'm using are the newest ones available. Also I tried this on both my external downstairs on my laptop and upstairs on my main computer. Two different computers two different burners, same issue. Any ideas?

[kirk.mufc]

Do you want to back up the extras aswell or just the main movie?
If you want to back up just the main movie then what I do when I have similar problems to yours is:
Copy main movie files to a different folder
Open ifoedit
Click create ifo's at the bottom middle of the screen
Navigate to where I copied the main movie files and click on the first one
Then once the ifo's have been created I burn with nero.

Hope this helps

EDIT: Don't use anydvd and dvdfab decrypter at the same time, they both use different methods of decrypting.

[jvl10]

Thanks for the response. I followed your example but the issue recurred. Could you give me any specifics on settings? During the burning process it comes up "illegal copy". Burning this disc should be a piece of cake and im confused why nobody is having the same problem.
This is the first disc Ive ever had issues with, sony arcos no problem.
Any ideas?
and yes, a backup up the main movie would be just fine.
Remember I tried this on two different computers and two different burners.
One more thing: Can anybody who has successfully backed up this movie let me know how they did it? Just so I know it can be done. Even if its the same ways Ive tried. That will at least let me know I have other issues to resolve and I know its not just the movie but something on my systems.
Thanks

[MOVIEGEEK]

Have you tried burning with DVDDecrypter?

[jvl10]

yes Ive tried dvddecrypter and same result. it freezes a third of the way through burning.

I THINK I HAVE MUCH DEEPER ISSUES.

I just tried to backup my old "Brain Candy" movie by Kids in the Hall and guess what this old single layer movie did when I tried to burn it?

Same error message "illegal copy" and I get my 20th coaster. Both my computers are now doing this and it only happened after I tried to make a backup of skeleton key.

Any idea which forum I head to since I now know any movie will do this?

[Denvers Dawgs]

sounds like bad media what are you using?

[jvl10]

Memorex 4x DVD-R, This is about the 5th 50 pack Ive used of them. I bought like ten of them over a year ago. Never had a problem with them. Whats interesting is it gets to the exact same spot in each one when it fails. Its also half way through the pack and the first half had no problem. I will try opening my last pack and I think I have some cheaper 8x discs I will give a try. Hopefully the media is just bad, thanks for the suggestion.

[jvl10]

nope, not the media. Just tried from a different batch and with a different kind of disc. Two computers, two burners and now they both are broken. The only constant is trying to backup skeleton key. Im thinking of just crashing the laptop and reinstalling everything.

[jvl10]

Ok, I have another question:
Unable to find a solution I took my wifes laptop and plugged it into my burner and used a basic single layer baby einstein video of mine. I got the same error, illegal disc. So this isolates my issues to either my burner or my discs. it cant be anything on the laptop because I have never used this laptop before and it cant be the programs on the laptop.
I know that the media is fine as I tried it on my upstairs computer, tried discs from a different package and tried a different brand altogether.

Is it possible for a serious windows error to cause damage to my burner? Does the burner itself have a program in it?

Any ideas?

[MOVIEGEEK]

" Unable to find a solution I took my wifes laptop and plugged it into my burner"

It's not a software problem it's the writer.
1.Have you updated the firmware in the writer? www.rpc1.org
2.Does it burn CD's fine?

[Alpha_W0lf]

I agree with MovieGeek, your problem is definitely the Writer.
I too was having problems ripping this One with DvdFab:

"When I opened the output files back into shrink it had an error about vts_08_01 or something.
Next I used dvdfabdecrypter version 2.9.5.8 to rip to hd. shrink couldnt open same vts08 error."

But then I tried DvdDecrypter and Shrink Gave no Grief... No problems during writing sessions at all.

[jvl10]

Thank you for the responses.
MovieGeek-No its not burning CD's either. Thanks for the idea. Its coming up PMA update failure. Any ideas what this means?
Didnt try a firmware update yet.

[bdf24]

Didnt try a firmware update yet.

That's the very first thing I would try.

[yakuzaboss1975]

i just burned this movie yesterday. i used anyDVD first then cloneDVD2. no problems at all. hope this helps.

[jvl10]

I upgraded all the firmware and no luck. Same burn error. I am cutting and pasting the latest error report with the hope someone can make sense of my issue. It looks like Chinese to me.

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 8:18:06 PM
Nero API version: 6.3.1.17
Using interface version: 6.3.1.4
Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\
Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom
Recorder: <Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2>Version: JWS6 - HA 2 TA 0 - 6.3.1.17
Adapter driver: <> HA 2
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 11
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: DVD+R9 DL recorder

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : FUJITSU MHT2040AT atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CDW/DVD TS-L462A atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
TSSTcorp CDW/DVD TS-L462 E: CDRom0
Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2 F: CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 734MB (752048kB)
Free physical memory: 403MB (413472kB)
Memory in use : 45 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

24.11.2005
NeroAPI
8:31:57 AM #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files reallocation started

8:31:58 AM #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

8:31:58 AM #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
DVD-Video files sorted

8:31:58 AM #4 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

8:31:58 AM #5 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 817
DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1)
DRM: Beginning burn process.

8:31:58 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2 running

8:31:58 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

8:31:58 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

8:31:58 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3172
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

8:31:58 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 994703 (221:02.53, 1942MB)

8:31:58 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
Write in overburning mode: NO

8:31:58 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2137
Recorder: Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AF1
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

8:31:58 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 418
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

8:31:58 AM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 994704 (994704) = #994704/221:2.54
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 994704 blocks [Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2]
--------------------------------------------------------------

8:31:58 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 2037153792, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
994704 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

8:31:59 AM #16 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Caching of files started

8:31:59 AM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4182
Cache writing successful.

8:31:59 AM #18 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Caching of files completed

8:31:59 AM #19 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)

8:31:59 AM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

8:31:59 AM #21 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1876
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

8:31:59 AM #22 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20394
Set BUFE: supported -> ON , Generic write control : ON

8:31:59 AM #23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2017
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

8:31:59 AM #24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8120
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

8:32:43 AM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1294
08:32:43.100 - Memorex DVD16+/-DL4RWlD2\H2 T0 : Queue again later

8:36:29 AM #26 SCSI -1046 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1442
SCSI Exec, HA 2, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x0AB30000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x02 (KEY_NOT_READY)
Sense Code: 0x30
Sense Qual: 0x05
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2D 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x05

8:36:29 AM #27 CDR -1046 File Writer.cpp, Line 304
Illegal disc

8:36:29 AM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

8:36:29 AM #29 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
conversion idle, stopping reader

8:36:29 AM #30 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2253
EndDAO: Last written address was 11615

8:36:29 AM #31 Phase 38 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 273
Burn process failed at 4x (5,540 KB/s)

8:36:29 AM #32 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 828
DRM: DRM burn session terminated.

8:36:29 AM #33 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 857
DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye.


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/17/2001 8:07:32 PM
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.18a, size=20576 bytes, created 5/10/2005 3:04:10 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

Thanks again for all your help guys.

[GKar]

1st, edit your Nero key out of your post (top of log file). I noticed you are using an older version of Nero 6, the latest Nero 6 is 6.6.0.16, may be needed for your burner. Your media is questionable also "Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AF1".

[jvl10]

I have updated my version of nero. I have downloaded all firmware updates for my Memorex external burner. No fix to the issue. I searched google for the error messages I listed, illegal disc in nero and in all the forums people listed it nobody was ever able to explain what this error is or how to resolve it. I think my burner is fried.

It cant be the programs because I have tried two different laptops with updated programs and the programs have worked fine on both laptops for the last 6 months.

Its not the media because as I stated above the media works fine on my pc upstairs and I have tried 2 different kinds of media and I have been using this same batch for over a year now.

The burner wont burn dvds or cds. It has to be the burner because the internal burners on both laptops will burn cds just fine but as soon as I try to burn in the external drive it craps out. Also I have been using this external for almost a year now and it stopped working suddenly.

I appreciate everyones help but I dont think there is an answer.

I have just one question hopefully one of you can answer.........whenever I run into a serious issue with my computer that I cant seem to resolve I simply back up my files and crash it. Problem solved and it keeps my computer clean. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF YOU CAN CRASH YOUR EXTERNAL DRIVE SO I CAN START OVER???

I appreciate any help. thanks again and happy thanksgiving.

[whitejremiah]

i dont think you want to crash it, i think you may want to reformat it though...if you said its an external drive, its as simple as going to windows, right clicking on the drive, and formatting it.....my question though, is this, do you have windows booting off that drive??

[jvl10]

Remember this is an external DVD burner not a HD. I was just wondering if you can reset it completely. There is something wrong with the burner itself whether its the laser or something in the program that is keeping it from working.

[vico1]

I had no probs with Skeleton Key at all.
Ripped the whole movie with DVDDecrypter to HDD first, then ran through
CloneDVD2.
After that, edited out some unwanted parts with DVDRemake, made an iso
using ImgTool Classic...burn to disc, again using DVDDecrypter...done.
The burner I used was a Pioneer 109.

Stealth however, was another animal...had to use a combination of anyDVD and DVDDecrypter,
just to rip to HDD.
But after that, everything went fine using the above method, except used Nero Recode instead of
CloneDVD2 to transcode on that one.
Not that one is any better than the other...just decided to try it.


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