How in the heck do I compress a 6min video to a decent size?

[tomld]

I used Adobe Premier Pro to create a 6:30 minute home video and I need to compress it to a decent size so I can upload it to the web. I best I was able to compress it to was 255mb using Premier. And it was an AVI file. First off dont I want the file to be a WMV for the web? I couldnt find a way to make it a WMV with Premeir. Anyone know how?

I want this file to be around 50-75mb. Isn't that reasonable for a 6:30 video with web quality?

Can someone tell me how to get it to that size? What size should the video be, what frame rate, bitrate, audio rate, etc, etc, etc. Also what codecs to use. Do I need an external program to compress/encode it, or can I do it all in Premier?

Need help!!! lol, thanks guys!

Tom

[redwudz]

Why not use Windows Movie Maker if you want WMV?

[jimmalenko]

Windows Movie Maker would be my tool of choice also. You'd probably need to output from Premiere as DV-AVI and then import that into WMM. I'd choose either the "High Quality Video (Large)" or "High Quality Video (Small)" templates - these should get you somewhere between 15 and 50MB for your filesize.

[edDV]

Windows Media Encoder 9

Should be in everyboody's kit of tricks. It's a great free program.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/default.aspx

Also you should be able to export in wmv from the Adobe Export Timeline. Maybe you didn't have it installed.

[tomld]

Thanks, I'll give WMM a shot. Is Adobe Premier Pro not a good video editor? I just picked it because of the Adobe name. Whats the preferred editor for home/wannabe pro movies?

[edDV]

Premiere Pro is a fine program.

Try this series
http://www.totaltraining.com/prod/adobe/premierepro15.asp?mscsid=

You can buy them sometimes on ebay.

[Nelson9937955]

I use Sony's Vegas Video. I can could compress a 6 minute avi or mpeg file to a wmv file with good quality and could make it about 5 mb. And if you could go 10-13 mb's, your talking about excellant quality now

[edDV]

Premiere and Vegas share the same basic encoder technology (Mainconcept SDK)

wmv will compress smaller.

[tomld]

Windows Movie Maker, worked great. I took the 255mb AVI and made it a 10mb WMV and it still looks good. Do you know what compression/encoder technology WMM uses?

[Ward River]

Whats the preferred editor for home/wannabe pro movies?

VirtualDubMod

[edDV]

Windows Movie Maker, worked great. I took the 255mb AVI and made it a 10mb WMV and it still looks good. Do you know what compression/encoder technology WMM uses?

It's Microsoft's version of MPeg4 technology.
Commercial versions are called VC-1.

[DarrellS]

I took the 255mb AVI and made it a 10mb WMV and it still looks good.

Hard to believe that you can take a 255MB AVI that already has compression and super compress it to a 10MB WMV and it still look good.

I have a few 2 minute, 8MB clips on my PC that don't look very good at 320x240 XviD with no audio

A 6 minute MP3 (stereo) audio file will be from 3 to 6 MB depending on compression.

[lordsmurf]

Save the timeline as an AVI.
Then open it in VirtualDub and save as an XVID.

You can also use MPEG-1 or WMV, using encoders.

[sdsumike619]

What about using the built in encoder in Vegas 5 so I don't have to encode to AVI first - what settings to use in the custom tab?

[edDV]

What about using the built in encoder in Vegas 5 so I don't have to encode to AVI first - what settings to use in the custom tab?

Why don't you start a new thread and tell us what you are trying to do?

[sdsumike619]

I just want the best possible settings to use in Vegas 5's wmv encoder for video to put on the web, a dial up version an 56k, and a broadband version at 500k - The video clips range from 2 mins to 8 mins. The webmaster wants 360x240 for the dialup and 720x480 (why I don't know) for the broadband version. He really doesn't seem to be concerned with filesize as long as the biggest one is less than 50mb, yes FIFTY haha.. The content of the video is just a talking head, very low motion. it's video clips for a law firm...

In Vegas, in the custom tab for the encoder, there's 5 settings u can pick under mode, and each one of those has different options. I just want to know what the best combination of settings is for this project. My usual work is making DVDs, so this is rather new...

[edDV]

Vegas has various wmv9 settings under "Templates"

Try 28.8Kb/s and 56Kb/s

For multispeed wmv serving, use Windows Media Encoder 9 (free)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/default.aspx

Or Microsoft's media serving applications.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/default.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/server.aspx

[sdsumike619]

[quote="edDV"]Vegas has various wmv9 settings under "Templates"

I know Vegas has various settings, that's what I'm asking about if you read my last post. I want to render straight from the timeline in Vegas. Otherwise I have to render to avi first and then use some other encoder like the windows one u mentioned..

I'm asking what the best settings are to use in Vegas's wmv encoder...

Mike

[edDV]

[quote="sdsumike619"]

Vegas has various wmv9 settings under "Templates"

I know Vegas has various settings, that's what I'm asking about if you read my last post. I want to render straight from the timeline in Vegas. Otherwise I have to render to avi first and then use some other encoder like the windows one u mentioned..

I'm asking what the best settings are to use in Vegas's wmv encoder...

Mike

And I suggested "Try 28.8Kb/s and 56Kb/s"

You will need to experiment for "broadband" settings. "broadband can mean anything from 256k to 3+Mb/s. That is why servers work at multirate settings from the same file. The player selects the best rate for its connection (see Encoder9).

[sdsumike619]

haha, you didn't read my post, the broadband is to be 500k, the dialup 56k - am just following what the web guy wants for this project. my question is about the different modes and other settings about keyframes and stuff in the custom encoder settings dialog in Vegas... cbr, vbr, quality vbr, etc... what to use ?

[edDV]

haha, you didn't read my post, the broadband is to be 500k, the dialup 56k - am just following what the web guy wants for this project. my question is about the different modes and other settings about keyframes and stuff in the custom encoder settings dialog in Vegas... cbr, vbr, quality vbr, etc... what to use ?

Experiment
The default is the vegas group's suggestion. Not much else you can do with 28.8k.

for "50mb" tell client wmv can't go that high.

[sdsumike619]

well he said as long as it isn't over 50mb, which it's not, the biggest one I ended up with is about 25-28mb at the 720x480frame size..

[edDV]

For US dsl/cablemodem

BMW films uses: 56K 100K 300K wmv @ 440 x 168

Next up might be 512Kb/s and so on

for 720x480 figure 2-3Mb/s but 352x480 at that rate would look much better.

Figure <2% of home audience could sustain that rate. Only good for some corp users.

[sdsumike619]

This is what he wrote to me when I voiced my concerns:

Obviously you've never been a member of any adult websites These files sizes are not so unheard of there. In fact usually there are 3 bitrates
available for the full length (usually 30 minute video) and also the video
is downloadable in smaller parts (usually 5 or 6 minutes a piece) in all 3
bitrates as well. What we're doing here is child's play.

The file sizes should not exceed 50 MB for any reason whatsoever and if theydo then they are not being encoded properly. Are you saying they are going to exceed this amount?

Personally I think if someone has a dial up connection they have learned not to waste their time with videos anyway. I wouldn't even try to watch any video of any kind with a dial up connection because I know what happens: it's too slow, won't look good. The vast majority of the target audience (people who can 1. afford a lawyer and internet access and 2. live in the United States) are going to have broadband connection or at least have access to one (even if people don't have broadband in my area the library and every coffee shop does).

In the year 2000 I would have agreed with you but XXXXX wants to put
themselves above the mark and that's why I'm suggesting the higher quality videos.
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so that's what he wants, that's what he's going to get and I already CC'd the client about my concerns over the filesize, so my ass isn't on the line here...

[edDV]

You are one of the few that could deduct the costs of a porn site wmv speed usage survey on your tax schedule C. Save your receipts.

[sdsumike619]

no no no, he was using that as an example, i dont do porn haha