Will printable DVDs skip over time?

[underworldmagic]

ive read alot of posts about dvds going 'bad' after sticking printable labels on them.

for all of us who buy the printable versions of dvds, would be expect out discs to start skipping some time from now?

ive always used Verbatim 8X DVD-R hub printables, been using them for about 4 months and no problems yet.

VJ

[dvdguy24]

not if they are good quality dvd's...printing directly on top of them is different from using a sticky label for many reasons - it can throw the disc off balance by increasing the weight of the dvd, as well as it can heat up while spinning and it slows it down (so i've read). I had BAD experiences with the sticky labels and no problems at all with my printables. I wouldn't worry about the actual ink being a problem with playback...you'll probably have a better chance of bad playback due to low quality dvd-r's than the ink on them.

hope I helped you.

[lordsmurf]

As long as the inkjet surface doesn't bubble up or shift on the disc. It shouldn't.

[underworldmagic]

thanks guys,

the printable surface on these Verbatim DVD-R DVDs im using is very good, i would not expect anything to happen to them but it was just a thought if anything would ever happen to them in the future.

thanks again guys

[joeg04]

Good printable media like Verbatim should not have such problems.

Problems with "data disappearing" were up to now only reported with a few cheap brands of media, sometimes only for a certain timeframe of production. For example BeAll-G40001 4x DVD-R, produced in 2nd half of 2004:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1257010&highlight=#1257010
I think it is a production error, which creates a problem that increases over time.

Paper labels can warp DVDs:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1302884#1302884
And readability of paper labeled DVDs can deterioate over time. I don't know for sure, if a warping effect also causes the similar problems with some printable (and very few not labeled non-printable) DVDs, but why not?

[kicko]

what about heavy ink on one side and not the other? ex.half black
might that throw it off balance

[joeg04]

That can be calculated. Specification limit for DVD media: dynamic unbalance < 10 g mm.

[INFRATOM]

There is a big debate on labeling, pro's like epson print on disc solution, I use sticky labels, I guess after all printables are factory done and haven't seen glossy ones ! at least in stores. If sticky labels are not placed 100% accurately could vibrate or wobble depending on the speed of rotation and amount of displacement ... but those glossy labels look beautiful.
make sure if you prefer beauty to possibility of wobble ( I personally haven't had any problem ) you make a jig to center the label 100% accurately. I haven't seen them come off yet make sure you don't touch the sticky part to contaminate the glue.
What I suggest for someone to quality scan before and after label placement. I did that and could not get a good reading but I am not sure if my drives ( NEC 3520 & Sony 530 ) are a good candidate for testing, but I can be sure that I centered it as well as possible manually by hand using a jig. On mine the quality after placing a label did not read the same it was worse but it played with no problems. If you tell me I can do good quality test with my drives and Nero cd speed next weekend I will do one . Run a test and remove label run test again and vice versa. but the debate and chanllenge goes on.

[joeg04]

...but it played with no problems.

Did you write more than 4.3 GiB on the disk? Did you test playback of the last minutes of the movie on a few standalone players 1 year after applying the label? Did you try to copy the VIDEO_TS folder back to HDD after 1 year? Is your label made of paper? I think the material is very important because paper labels warp DVDs more than plastic foil or silver foil labels.

[krupted]

i didnt beleive anyone when they say sticky lables hurt discs, but after i had seen it for myself i feel dumb for being worng.

Sticky labels WILL damage discs. Not all of them, maybe not most of them, but they will- and why take the chance of having 2 out of those 7 you had for backup go bad?

I agree sticky labels look great, specially the glossy ones, but theyre not worth the risk, buy an epson or an overseas canon and print directly onto disc.

[INFRATOM]

No my experience hasn't gone that far over a year, but I tried everything that I read on this forum from paints labels etc. For me beauty is the governing factor. there is a trade off in everything. I have made copies of my dvd's by ripping them again burning again, copy on fly didn't have any problem. If intime label comes off which haven't so far they are like 40 cents each I either make a new one or remove it and apply a new one. I buy made in Japan dvd's on sale whenever I find it. Paper will not warp the way you say it because it doesn't have longitude fillaments and dvd plastic is multi- layered so it is stronger than paper . one possibility is that paper may dry up in time and crumple like in acid environment may corrode paper but those are calculated life of material. I am thinking about how to transfer my media and films to new media that is coming out Hi def, blue ray before these dvd's become obsolete. I have a bad experience from 8mm reel to reel stuff I took when I was a very young or even my Hi8 camcorder when it broke down I thought all my tapes are not transferable I finally reluctantly had to pay $400 or so to buy an obsolete camcorder to convert them. So if it works now look into the future. I bet they come out with something like PSP disk about the size of a Dollar coin with 100gigs or more ..

[INFRATOM]

I have a bad experince with dried ink, I threw out a new epson because of dried ink disk drawer get jammed or wear out soon. So I bought this HP and refills very easily and epson could screw up the label then you have to throw it out just for bad print or keep the messed up dvd. Printibles are more expensive and they have factory sticky labels and I haven't seen glossy ones.

[krupted]

problem is if you dont keep all of your dvd's on your pc locally, how do you make a new disc when the origonal is damaged from the sticky label?

My epson r200 works fine. the tray slips a little but it has never damaged a disk, i wonder what was wrong with your setup.

Inkjet printables are the best way to go for the money, sticky labels would be if not for screwing up dvds- they work ok with cd'rs, all though i am starting to find older discs that dont play well anymore...

[INFRATOM]

Sticky labels just stick they wont damage a dvd. As long as the plastic is impermeable nothing going to happen. You can use paper remover liquid like they use to remove wall paper e.g to clean it like the 1st day. Digital info on it remains the same. as I mentioned I don't use my printer every day and epson dries out if you don't use it and also it can mess up the label then you have to discard the whole dvd, in sticky if you screw the label you don't stick it. Since this has worked for me I am maybe biased because I see most people here prefer epson or w/cis. I tried to fix my epson and it is not easy to ink it, but with hp 2 seconds and if the head wore out just buy another ink cartridge. The refill ink for hp looks exactly the same but I heard for epson it doesn't dry or some other stories.

[TBoneit]

My own take on Labels and Printables:

I have two sony changers and the manuals say not to use labeled discs.

So that leaves printable media, However what happens if the printable surface isn't properly bonded? Someone here posted a scan of discs that had happened to. If it comes loose from the disc in my 400 disc changer when reading then I need a new changer. So in the end I'm using sharpies for now. At least they won't damage the player but they don't look good.

Any Ideas?
Feedback?

Thanks

[dvdguy4]

How much ink will throw a dvd off balance if thats what happens? Was interested in getting a printer but reading this has pretty much changed my mind. Guess Ill stay with the sharpie.