Nero Digital and Subtitles

[Jeremiah58]

I have encoded a DVD to Nero Digital, choosing one subtitle to be encoded with the movie.
But I don't get this subtitle shown during playback of Nero Difital, no matter which player (software) I use on Win XP and Win98, including Nero Showtime.
Has anyone solved this problem, please ?
Thank you.

[lyberty]

I'd be interested in this answer to. There must be a way to permenently enable a subtitle (subpicture) choice when encoding to Nero Digital (MP4).
Is there a known technique for other MP4 formats?
Thanks.

[Baldrick]

The subs are in dvd subpicturess/vobsub format so try install vobsub and the haali media splitter

read more http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88775

[Jeremiah58]

No, there is no need to do that Baldrick.
Lyberty,
When I saw your reply, it reminded me to try again with this new version of Nero Vision Express.
And now it worked in Nero Show Time.
The subs showed OK.
Try it and let me know if it works for you as well.
Cheers

[Baldrick]

how did you solve it then????

edit: okey new version of nerovision...but canyou play with other software players and see the subs?

[Jeremiah58]

No, it can not show subs in other software players.
I mean, those Nero Digital subs which were made during encoding in Nero Recode. As far as I know, only Nero Show Time has that option to show that format of subs (whichever format it is).
I don't remember that I tried Vobsub, but I did tried ffdshow to force those subs in other players, and that didn't work.
The reading you proposed on doom9, is far more technicaly advanced than an average user would want to know about it.
Now, when I saw subs generated in Nero Digital, playing by Nero Showtime, I must say that I do not like their appearance. It seems that the font size and colour can not be changed (naturaly if they are subpictures like in DVD's subs). Font is small and of gray colour.
I have used separate .srt subs with Nero Digital and I will continue to do so. Nero Digital plays fine in BSplayer (using ffdshow) and separate .srt subs are far more practical, beacuse the font size, colour and position can be changed.

[lyberty]

Thanks for the replies.

You were right: this is a case where updating to the latest version fixes the problem.

I was frustrated because I had used Nero Recode 2 [version 2.2.6.04] to re-encode some Japanese films, but there were no button options for subtitles (and chapters), and when completed, the files didn't have subpictures.

But the recent May 12th, 2005 package (includes Nero Recode 2.2.6.16e)[ http://ww2.nero.com/enu/nero-up.php ] fixes this problem: it has the missing button for Subtitles.

Jeremiah58, I see what you mean about the gray subpictures. But this is interesting: it appears that the subpictures will come out differently depending on the source video? When I did two different Zatoichi movies, the first one had the gray subpictures, as you described, but the second one had white subpictures -- see the sample image at the bottom of

http://www.lyberty.com/mediatech/nero/mp4/mp4_q1.html

Can you recommend any links that could instruct "average users" on how to create and add "separate .srt subs with Nero Digital"? That sounds interesting. If a separate file is created from the Nero .mp4 file, how do you load them both at once? Any synchronization issues? Or is there a way to embed your own manually created subs right into the .mp4 file?

Thanks.

[Jeremiah58]

Hm yes, seems that you're right and that the subpictures will come out differently depending on the source video.
I've done a few DVD backups to Nero Digital, just as an experiment.
You could create .srt subtitle by ripping it from your DVD with Subrip, or you could download .srt subtitles from Internet. You could create your own .srt subtitles with Subtitle Workshop.
When you have your .srt subtitle ready, rename it to have the same name as your Nero Digital movie and put them both in a same folder.
Now you can play both files together on your computer, with BSplayer. The. srt subtitle would load automatically with your movie. Now, in BSplayer, you could change the appearance of subtitle font, color, position...
All those tools are freeware and you could download and learn about them if you click on the links above.
Synchronization issues could be fixed with Subtitle Workshop.

[lyberty]

Excellent answer: thanks!

[celtic_druid]

Better to use mp4box to mux your srt subs into the mp4 as ttext subs. 100% MPEG-4 compliant that way.

[lyberty]

Better to use mp4box to mux your srt subs into the mp4 as ttext subs. 100% MPEG-4 compliant that way.

Can you provide any links to process instructions? What mp4box interface do you recommend (I see only YAMB so far, but if it's "yet another", suggests there are more.) How do you make srt into ttext? Is it automatic when you mux them together?

So is this the process?
1. Create MP4 without subtitles (e.g. using Nero).
2. Create .srt subtitles by ripping them from source with Subrip.
3. Mux .srt file into .mp4 using ? (YAMB?)

I would be happy with the Nero embedded subtitles, but I've noticed a new problem: when played from a DVD on my old media-box system, the video visably pauses for a split-second whenever a subpicture is displayed; presumedly to load the image. So it sounds like a text-based subtitle would be better (because it would load faster?)....

[celtic_druid]

YAMB should work fine.

[Jeremiah58]

Better to use mp4box to mux your srt subs into the mp4 as ttext subs. 100% MPEG-4 compliant that way.

I have tried Yamb to mux ttext subs to Nero Digital .mp4, but got no output file.
Any hint, please?