Sony DVD<>VCR combo dubber: DVD not MacTheRipper able

[rotuts]

I have a Sony VCRtoDVD combo recorder ( or visa versa)

I put in one of my old VCR tapes, put in a DVD-R pushed the -> button and got a DVD that plays on the DVD player (sony) to a TV and in my Mac using he Mac DVDPlayer.

so I thought Id try Mac the ripper on this and it said the DVD was 150MB and would not do the VOB's

I opened the DVD in Yade X and it told me there was one "Title" one menu (0) and one track (1) 3.2 GB. one chapter with 55 scenes.

ingoing down the track to see if Yade would play it, all the boxes are black., ie no video I can see.

VLC player cannot access the DVD ( on the desktop while in the DVD bay drive in the mac

any idea what this is all about? the made DVD playes well, quality like the vcr tape, both in the mac and on the DVD/VCR sony player.

just would like to know what the Sony machine is capable of.

rotut

[Cruiserdude]

DVDs made with DVRs are in VR (video recorder) format instead of VOB. The "only" Mac solution seems to be "Software Architects" GreatVideo! it can be found here: http://www.softarch.com/
There is a good rundown about the features there
hope that helps ya out
Cd

[geezerbuttz]

not only that...

as the disc contains NO encryption , drag the >VRO file to the desktop to copy it.. change the extension to .VOB , and demux with extractor , or play from QT or VLC.

[rotuts]

Geez, others:

when I put the DVD in the mac, it has a title made by the DVD<>VCR, and on opening it there are no visible files.

ithe DVD<>VCR can also record more than two hours: max is 360 min. of course I don' know what kind of quality you get.

Im just trying to learn about the system the 2 hour and 90 minute mode seem fine for old home movies.

it makes DVD-RW which you can edit on the machine but its not clear to me yet how you get the final 'movie' to a DVD-R from the DVD-RW.

Too bad the Mac does not have a Video with L and R audio out!

give me your thoughts on this

rotut

[terryj]

Too bad the Mac does not have a Video with L and R audio out!

rotut

Yes it does,
its called a Canopus ADVC-100.


Seriously, does the Sony have a FW i/o port?
if so, you could then run FW out to Canopus in,
and digitize directly into the Mac.
Or if the Sony accepts in camcorder via fw,
you could (try) to input from Mac to Sony
via iMovie's print to Camera feature.

[dcsos]

You'll need either SOFTWARE ARCHITECTS or some other software, because the MAC OS isn't even seeing what you burned!

You need help to read the file system before you can even see if there's any way to "operate" on those files

look at this analogous windows problem(sound familiar?):

The DVD disks it creates on DVD+RW are not standard. Where DVD should have 1 VOB file for each 1 GB of video, if you look at the disk with a computer, you see only one file of 1 GB but 4 GB of disk space used. Ether the other files are not visible or the one file is actually much bigger but does not show in windows explorer. You cannot successfully copy the disk with a computer, because the one file only has one third of the video.

[rotuts]

thanks for all the help. the SA software is about $70 and not really worth it to me just to fiddle around ( a learn)

what I meant is that its too bad that the Mac G4 does not have video and audio out jacks so that playing a dvd on the mac would give output to something else to play with the files. Im sure apple is trying to avoid copyright police, which is fine.

i do have two TV cards now, alchemyDVR and DIVCO HDTV ( brand new in the computer this AM! -- I have 12 digital channels with plain rabbit ears will look for a "HDTV" desk-top antenna which they say at Fry's I can return if no improvement. awaiting download of MPlayer to get it to work will update in HDTV thread)

anyway, these DVD<>VCR recorders seem to to a fine job for old VCR tapes Ive done a few via iMovie and a DV camera I have, then made DVD's but the whole process took 6-7 hours / tape

rotut

[arnisandyz]

I had a similar problem with DVDs made from my friends Phillips DVD recorder. (MTR wouldn't rip it). Don't exactly remember what process I went through, but I think I used DVDBackup (or another ripper) to make the TS folder.

[JCdog]

Is there any chance that MTR will capture an external analog signal? For example, I have a Pioneer LD machine that is piped into my powerbook G4 through an analog converter. Can MacTheRipper grab this signal for Video TS transfer to DVD?

[geezerbuttz]

NO...

[live4ever]

Is there any chance that MTR will capture an external analog signal? For example, I have a Pioneer LD machine that is piped into my powerbook G4 through an analog converter. Can MacTheRipper grab this signal for Video TS transfer to DVD?

Why would you need MTR? - just use iMovie or FCP.

[Frobozz]

JCDog, you have MacTheRipper confused with something else. You have some kind of device for getting the analog video from the Laserdisc Player to your PowerBook. What is that device? Knowing this will guide us in telling you how to get from there to a video DVD.

[JCdog]

It is a Miglia Director's Cut analog signal converter. The converter is functioning correctly. I am struggling with the imovie chapter breaks and the signal transfer stops after a 10min clip. I also have an option of doing a direct DVD capture and burn from a real-time Sony device called Direct DVD. The only problem there is, the Direct DVD only burns DVD+R in stand-alone mode. My Pwbk G4 has the UJ-815 which will only run DVD-R, no to mention the software included with the Direct DVD is not Mac compatible.

[Frobozz]

I don't know why the import stops at 10 minutes. Try using the freeware application Vidi to capture the video to the hard drive. Then import those clips to iMovie. iMovie chapter markers are made in the iDVD panel of iMovie; is that what you're referring to? Because you have a SuperDrive it's easy to export from iMovie to iDVD to author, encode and burn your DVD.

An alternative is Toast 6. It has a plug & burn feature that may work with the Director's cut to import the video. Or you can drag in the Vidi-captured video. You can do some trimming of the video in Toast before burning to DVD. Toast will place chapter markers every 5 minutes.

I used the Vidi & Toast method when transferring some Laserdiscs to DVD with my iBook G4 using a Canopus ADVC-55 capture device.

[JCdog]

O.K. gang, I think I have finally isolated the problem. I tried Toast 6 using the plug-and-burn method and the image file only method and both failed with the same problem that I had with Imovie. The signal from the LD machine was somehow interrupted very slightly. The interruption was so slight that the monitor signal showed no problems and continued the movie playback. However, in i-movie, FCE and Toast 6 the signal "bump" caused the import to stop. I'm wondering if the Miglia converter is the problem or my LD machine. Is there any way for me to boost the signal? Is there any way to change the sensitivity of the program so it won't read the "bump"? Ideas?

[geezerbuttz]

i use a DC30 with Squared 5's drivers.... dogs testicles...... SVHS input , input into FCP HD ( or any app with movie inport component ) uses a lossless or mjpef realtime codec...

also provides RT for FCP 4 HD

excelent... can output to the TV from VLC, DVDSP ,ITUNES.... etc etc

I got a DC30 for £30.00 of ebay... works great
geat a breakout box for a £10.00..

also provides desktop mirror...

geezerbuttz

[pants]

hey geezer

what kind of breakout box did you get? have a link?

thanks

[JCdog]

According to my quick research, the present version of Pinnacle DC30 is only windows compatible. The older DC30+, which is no longer manufactured, is the one that is Mac compatible and I'm not getting any love on Ebay on that one. Any other ideas?

[JCdog]

I stand corrected, I found it on Pinnaclesys.com. Now let's see if we can find it for a reasonable price. Question for Geezerbutz, do I use the DC30+ instead of the analog converter or in a addition to ?

[geezerbuttz]

in addition to ( I guess that is what you mean ) ..

when you install the card ( S5's driver will accept either a miroVideo ( DC30+ or miroMotion DC30+ ( they say the miroVideo is better ) you still need S5's driver , that hooks into ther kernel and also provides qt capture elements and codecs for it , and a whole load of FCP capture and settingpresets ( all work very well )

All you need to capture is a cable hooked to your device ( pref SVHS ) and some HD space... there is an app called myVCR wich can accept input from this device to , AND let you choose ANY codec to try to capture with... So for on a Dual 1.25 i have manages realtime Xvid @352x288 ( half D1 ) with no frame drops , but with S5's codecs you can also have full D1 lossless or mjpeg a ( dc30+)

i capture right from my SATBOX over SVHS into FCP , kill the adds , write out finished movie to HD , and Xvid it in Mencoder.....great to get all those tv shows on one DVD in HQ...

As for the breakout box , its the official Blue breakout box for the DC30 that pinnacle made ( big red cable ) and I got one from E-bay ( mine came from Germany ) for £10.00 .. you just have to keep looking....

You realy do need the box coz the card has a funky audio connection where all the audio channels are wired into one plug.....


any of you guys wanna see a test capture , PM me with an e-mail addy , and i will send you a h.264 stream of the capture ... looks great..


Geezerbuttz