Anywhere to get cheap pigment ink, r200

[ramzeva]

Any where to get cheap pigment based ink for my r200 CIS in the USA before dishing out 80 dollars to jlwsales?

[Bodyslide]

I see it on the Web, for around 90.00 for 50 ml of each color.

[bugande]

Sam's Club
Stratitec 170ml black 85ml other colors model eir595
595ml total $19.99

[ramzeva]

Any idea how the quality is on those? and if they are pigment or dye.. im guessing dye.

[stiltman]

didn't think the R200 used pigment ink?

How do you keep the cart from clogging?

[RickTheRed]

didn't think the R200 used pigment ink?

How do you keep the cart from clogging?

I'm with stilt.
Very small nozzle are not meant for pigment ink.
They will clog.

Good luck.

[ramzeva]

jwsales sells pigment for extra cost for the CIS, says for r200 also I swore I read the original epson carts are pigment... maybe youre right though.


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[Delerious]

didn't think the R200 used pigment ink?

How do you keep the cart from clogging?

I'm with stilt.
Very small nozzle are not meant for pigment ink.
They will clog.

Good luck.

I don't know if the R200 can use pigment inks, it has 3 picoliter drops. My
R800 which does use pigment ink has 1.5 picoliter drops, so I don't think the
size of the nozzle would have any effect - there may be some other reason though.

J

[Umbearto]

I considered the move to Pigmented inks with the r200 CIS, but in the end, the logic of pigment settling in cartridges that never get swapped out chased me off the idea.

I just don't see how any CIS wouldn't end up clogged as pigment particles follow the natural force of gravity to the bottom of the carts...<shrug>

[gmatov]

Look for "the village idiot", who, I think it was, that first converted non disk printers to print on disks.

There was a little discussion on inks on non printables, as well as pigmented vs dye based inks, as well as whether pigmented inks would work in carts not designed for pigmented inks.

one argument was that the pigmented inks would gel or coagulate in a bubble jet, from heat, rather than an Epson, which is piezo, or be cooked and change color, and I believe he experimented and found that that would not be the case.

And, too, many were complaining that their disks never dried, which, of course, they never would, as the ink would just lie on the plastic. There would of course, be some evaporation, but never a real drying. Ink must penetrate into either paper or a gel coat to do that.

Have any of you EVER tried to use different brands of Photo paper with your Photo printer? If you have, you would see what I mean.

If the disks have a gel coat that is not conducive to Epson inks, you are gonna get shit results.

I don't know what disks are using what gel coats. And they are not all one.

Cheers,

George

[Umbearto]

I don't think pigmented ink/printable disc as a viable combination can be in dispute. The Epson r800 using Ultrachrome inks has been out in the wild for ages. As "The Village Idiot" and George have correctly pointed out, the media plays an important role in "moisture resistance", but this is beyond the scope of the discussion.

I guess to be truly on topic we need to discuss cheap sources for pigmented ink; I'm afraid I have none, the stuff isn't cheap.

I think the poster should reconsider this course of action:

My question remains; are pigmented inks a suitable material in a Continuous Ink System?

I offer they are not; any colloid, or suspension will settle over time leaving the printer clogged and useless.

ChunkT first proposed the pigmented swap with the JLWsales system, but was shown the door here before we got any further...

[RickTheRed]

OK,

I got it wrong with the nozzle size.
My excuse.

All I can say is I have read that dye based printers might have clogging problems if pigment inks are used. Obviously it is not the nozzle size, the R800 proves it.

If you read the JLW thread, someone asked JLW about the pigment inks he is selling.
JLW answered that he does not recommend to use his pigment inks with the R200.

Btw, why do you want pigment ink for your R200?

[Skith]

might look into:

http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/arcinks2.html

For epson 6 color printers:

http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/arcink_org.html

http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/arcink_per.html

... So pigment inks in CIS systems DO work. The question is will they work with the R200. In addition, cheap "value" pigment ink MAY be more likely to clog, but I am only guessing.

Pigment inks should not really be necessary for DVDs (you store them in a DVD case, in a dark place, right?)

The two leading causes of fading/discoloration, other than poor inks, is Daylight (UV), or fluorescent lights with UV, and iirborn contaminents such as high ozone.

Another thing to consider is Matte vs. Glossy finish.

Matte finish (at least with paper) absorbs ink into the fibers, protecting it from airborn contaminents. Glossy finishes usually have a "gel" like coating which is pourus. The ink bonds to this coating (but remains on top), thus making it more prone to fading from airborn contaminents and humidity.

While pigment ink is less prone to fading, it does not have the gamut (color range) of dye based inks. Currently no pigment inks can match dye based output.

[gmatov]

Umbaerto,

I don't know if I quite agree with you.

True, pigmented inks have a super pulverized, micro-meshed pigment, for want of a better word ( I don't know how many here are even aware of what a pigmented ink or even a wood stain IS.)

How fine it is would determine if it will settle into the gel coat of a suitable, read compatible, photo paper. Even dye based inks do not sit opn top of the gel coat of a compatible photo paper. They briefly liquify the gel and bond with it, actually change the color of the gel. When you get a smear of the photo, it is not the ink running, it is the dyed gel running.

If Epson pigmented inks do not react to moisture, how many options are there as to why not?

1. They are carried in a vehicle which will temporarily liquify the gel coat, allowing the pigment to bond to it, or intersperse with it.

2. You will have to provide this one. If the pigmented vehicle can "liquify" the gel coat, but moisture will not make the photo run, and the printer does not require "Dura Brite Paper Only", then what is the vehicle? And if it will print the same on Canon or HP or Staples paper, why?

Ha!!! Riddle me that.

Cheers,

George