Piston-Pacers

[Guest]

How ugly!
http://www.comcast.net/News/DOMESTIC//XML/2031_Basketball_Game_Stories/5c25b6a8-7142-4...9535868be.html


check out the video.

[BJ_M]

don't mess around in detroit ..

supprised no one got shot

[JohnnyCNote]

Whenever people complain about living in Jacksonville, I tell them it could be worse - they could be living in Detroit!

[Capmaster]

They ought to suspend all of the participants for one year. ********

[Guest]

Indeed. Its kinda funny when you travel and tell people you are from the D. Everyone takes a step back and I'm 5'9",155lbs. Its not like I'm built like Cobra

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ--?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

[Capmaster]

Indeed. Its kinda funny when you travel and tell people you are from the D. Everyone takes a step back and I'm 5'9",155lbs. Its not like I'm built like Cobra

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ--?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

Yeah, but choo got attitude, meng

[Ripper2860]

NBA catering to the Hockey Fans, I guess !!

[ViRaL1]

If you can't fight, stay your ass at home.

But seriously. I think pro players should leave the ass whoopings to the trained professionals, security guands and off-duty police officers.

[bazooka]

They ought to suspend all of the participants for one year. ********

They are suspended indefinitely.

[CaZeek]

I don't understand why Ben Wallace is suspended indefinitely. He just did a typical, 1 game suspension, over-reaction shove. I also think that suspending them indefinitely before they "complete the investigation" is going to be a big problem with the Players' Union. Either way, the Pacers top 3 scorers are now suspended indefinitely. Guess that leaves the one of the top 3 seeds in the East open for someone to squeeze on into. Let's go Knicks!

[glockjs]

i think i saw young buck stabbin somebody else in the croud

[Capmaster]

They ought to suspend all of the participants for one year. ********

They are suspended indefinitely.

That's a good start. Now get the DA involved and file some serious criminal charges against those guys. What gives them the right to behave like that in a game when they know damn well it's unacceptable out in society?

I've felt that athletes shouldn't get away with that ever since the Ted Green incident on the Boston Bruins 30 years ago :P The guy was almost killed from a stick to the head.

[CaZeek]

That's a good start. Now get the DA involved and file some serious criminal charges against those guys. What gives them the right to behave like that in a game when they know damn well it's unacceptable out in society?

I've felt that athletes shouldn't get away with that ever since the Ted Green incident on the Boston Bruins 30 years ago :P The guy was almost killed from a stick to the head.

The police are already preparing the evidence (footage) for the prosecutor, so there's no escaping that, but the players are going to have more of a case against the fans than vice versa. I'm not defending their reaction, but they're going to plead self-defense, and it'll probably hold up for at least most of the incident. The one thing I can see being a clear case against one of the players is the Jermaine O'Neal punch of that guy on the court (where he slid into him). Thank God he slid, or the guy would probably be dead right now.

Either way, the moral of the story is legally that the fan "threw the first punch" when he threw the beer. While the NBA can say the players are not allowed to go into the stands even if someone is throwing bowling balls at them, I don't see any criminal conviction over Artest's reaction.

[Ripper2860]

I would not be nearly as concerned with criminal action as I would civil suits.

[CaZeek]

Either way (I may be playing devil's advocate, but..) what makes the fans involved any less culpable to a civil suit than the players? Being 6'7" 240 doesn't give someone any more of a right to throw things at you and punch you in the back of the head than being 5'8" 140 does.

[Ripper2860]

I'm certainly not condoning what happened and there is fault on both sides.

It is my understanding that during this mele, innocent fans were struck -- 1 by Artest as he made his way up to the person who ultimately struck him with their frosty brew. The report I heard was said that as Aretest was striking one man, he was asking him if he was the one who threw the beer!! (I would think you should make SURE before punching the person, but hey) After the innocent man repeatedly denied it was him, Artest then moved up the stands to the actual "perpetrator" and proceeded to dole out vigilante justice.

Not too smart !!

The Lesson -- never mess with Basketball Playin' Gangsta Rapper !!! Oh and wait to exact your vengence in a not so public place especially when there are national network cameras present.

[CaZeek]

Oh, absolutely, but once Artest was in the stands, he was pretty much being attacked and pelted at every angle. If Stephen Jackson, Fred Jones, Rasheed Wallace, etc, didn't go up there, Artest would probably have been in big trouble. The way I saw it (live), I think Artest did get the wrong fan first, but he wasn't really "striking" him. He sort of grabbed him and was yelling at him.

At the end of the day, only one person was hospitalized, with about 5 others treated for minor injuries. I'm willing to bet that most of the injuries were caused by idiotic fans throwing chairs into groups of people.

Let me just clarify, Artest should NOT have gone into the stands. Forget about the fact that there's supposed to be a rule the players abide by. He shouldn't have gone in, because he had no idea who he the culprit was, and innocent people were bound to get caught in the middle. However, if someone threw a full cup of beer at my nose, I don't think I'd be thinking 100% rationally either

[freestyler]

Where's some live video of this?

Anyone?

[CaZeek]

http://video.msnbc.com/

That's a pretty low-resolution and not full screen version of it, but you'll get an idea. The ESPN videos showed a lot more.

[richdvd]

I am guessing that Artest, O'Neal, and Jackson will get 10-15 games each. Not sure what Wallace will get but he should get less (maybe 5 games). I think O'Neals punch was by far, the worst of all.

[bazooka]

I am guessing that Artest, O'Neal, and Jackson will get 10-15 games each. Not sure what Wallace will get but he should get less (maybe 5 games). I think O'Neals punch was by far, the worst of all.

If they were going to be supspended for 10-15 games, that would have been specified.

The sentence is an indefinite suspension.

[richdvd]

I am guessing that Artest, O'Neal, and Jackson will get 10-15 games each. Not sure what Wallace will get but he should get less (maybe 5 games). I think O'Neals punch was by far, the worst of all.

If they were going to be supspended for 10-15 games, that would have been specified.

The sentence is an indefinite suspension.

Ya, exactly.
Until they decide how many games....it is indefinite.


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The NBA has taken the following actions, effective immediately:

1. Indiana players Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O’Neal are suspended indefinitely, the length to be determined upon completion of the investigation.

2. Detroit player Ben Wallace is suspended indefinitely, the length to be determined upon completion of the investigation.

3. Review of rules and procedures relating to altercations and security have been undertaken so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.”

[yoda313]

don't mess around in detroit ..

supprised no one got shot

Come on it was at the Palace in Auburn Hills outside of Pontiac.

Though I do think that was totally stupid of everyone.

Remember when Tie Domi of the LEAFS drew a suspension for pulling a fan into the penalty box???? (gotta love hockey ).

Kevin

[SLICK RICK]

don't mess around in detroit ..

supprised no one got shot

Come on it was at the Palace in Auburn Hills outside of Pontiac.

Though I do think that was totally stupid of everyone.

Remember when Tie Domi of the LEAFS drew a suspension for pulling a fan into the penalty box???? (gotta love hockey ).

Kevin

Someone forgot to say hello. :P

[yoda313]

don't mess around in detroit ..

supprised no one got shot

Come on it was at the Palace in Auburn Hills outside of Pontiac.

Though I do think that was totally stupid of everyone.

Remember when Tie Domi of the LEAFS drew a suspension for pulling a fan into the penalty box???? (gotta love hockey ).

Kevin

Someone forgot to say hello. :P

Hello,



I'm text messaging with a friend and post whoring here at videohelp at the same time! My concentration slipped.....

Kevin

[mol3000]

im sick of everybody trying to take this out on the players saying they are suspended and shhhhhh..... WHAT HAPPEN TO THE FANS...... thats bs...... the fans should get suspeneded for a couple of games or a year for what they did..... hell if i throw something at a cop (and believe me i would love to if they provoke me) then hell they wanna mase me or shoot me. Hell thats assult, just because they did it to a player and not a cop or a judge dont mean it can be dismissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bazooka]

im sick of everybody trying to take this out on the players saying they are suspended and shhhhhh..... WHAT HAPPEN TO THE FANS...... thats bs...... the fans should get suspeneded for a couple of games or a year for what they did..... hell if i throw something at a cop (and believe me i would love to if they provoke me) then hell they wanna mase me or shoot me. Hell thats assult, just because they did it to a player and not a cop or a judge dont mean it can be dismissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Noone is trying to do that. The fans were wrong to throw the beer, but the players were wrong for charging into the stands. Everyone was at fault.

Professional sports players are paid to play games and there is an unwritten code of conduct that states you do not attack the people that pay your salary.

[freestyler]

For the p2p users in town, there's a clip from ESPN titled

NBA Pacers Pistons brawl.mpg

floating around showing the O'Neal punch and a few other highlights of the action.

[Tommyknocker]

Couple of injuries a few suspensions. The soccer fans and players still smirking: "That's all you did? We kill. Come to us you have something."

[BJ_M]

don't mess around in detroit ..

supprised no one got shot

Come on it was at the Palace in Auburn Hills outside of Pontiac.

Though I do think that was totally stupid of everyone.

Remember when Tie Domi of the LEAFS drew a suspension for pulling a fan into the penalty box???? (gotta love hockey ).

Kevin

hockey is different ...

it is expected there.... :