Sonic TYG02 Vs. Taiyo Yuden TYG02

[HatchetMan]

DVDInfopro and Return of the King backed up on Sonic TYG02 inkjet hub printable media.





Immediately after performing that, I restarted the computer and backed up Manhunter on Taiyo Yuden TYG02 silver thermal printable media. Here's the DVDInfopro scan to compare to above.

[Fandim]

Did you use the same program to burn both? This can be a big factor in quality results etc.

Just curious.

Seth

[HatchetMan]

exact same progs used-
DVDDecrypter 3.5.1.0
DVDSrhink 3.2.0.15
Nero 6.6.0.3

[Fandim]

True test for the sonic stuff, I think, would be to burn at 12x, or 16x.

Seth

[HatchetMan]

These were both burned at 8x, haven't tried any higher with any media... yet.

[lordsmurf]

Sonic TYG02 is FAKE MEDIA.

[Fandim]

I was pretty sure of that...Judging the huge spike at the beginning...wouldnt be surprised if the menu's of the DVD or previews stuttered...

That's why I wanted to see an overspeed burn..would probably coaster the Sonic media no questions asked..

So who really makes Sonic?

[Fandim]

btw Hatchet...here's some TYG02 media burned at 12x on a NEC3500.

[lordsmurf]

Sonic is made by an "unknown" plant in Hong Kong. Odds are, it's INFOSMART MEDIA that's doing it. Other sites have listed them as at least one maker of fake TYG02, and they are the ones that faked MXLRG01 media back in the day.

They have many "brand" names, including Sonic, Matrix, Longten, Pulse, and Anwell. Basically any cheap crap from Hong Kong.

[Mortomer]

Lordsmurf, could you please inform everyone where you are getting your facts. If noone else is interested in knowing, I certainly am. You make such strong opinionated posts and try to make them out to be facts. In this post you make these allegations about this so called fake media saying it’s odds are it’s company called “infosmart.” Where are your odds coming from?

I’m just curious lordmurf, what are your expert test results of the Linkyo media supermediastore sells? I know you promote supermediastore on this forum and you have your expert opinions in every single post, so I’d really like to know what you think about supermediastores Linkyo media. I happened to purchase some of those Linkyo myself from supermediastore, only to find out that they use a fake TYG02 code. Surprised me that such a wonderful store that you praise every opportunity is using such poorly fake media. How have your test results been with those supermediastore Fake TYGO2’s?

[Fandim]

Mortomer - he's basing the fact that Infosmart has numerous times in the past produced 'counterfeit' media, coupled with the fact that it is made in Hong Kong. (if you want to know where somethign is made, simply email the retailer and ask, normally they'll contact their supplier and find out, if they do not know off hand.

While Lord Smurf does seem to favor Supermediastore..(It's the only place I use, as well, excluding newegg for hardware purchases), that does not mean that he says every media sold their is good..

Like I said - it's the only store I use. Also, please note that right under the page where you order the Linkyo media, or Supermedia brand media, it lists "Manufacturer: Generic". They're very openly stating that the media *is* generic, and not trying to pass it off as Yuden.

Granted - either is Sonic.. But Shop4Tech IS a shady store. They often (or used to at least) sell fake Ritek products AS ritek etc...

Seth

[Mortomer]

fandim, good points, but I think the real point is that when something is fact, you don't use a term like "odds are." You either know what you are talking about or you don't. I can't even read a post anymore it seems where this person isn't imposing their personal facts upon the thread in some way, shape or form. That's ok to a certain extent but when you start pushing your personal opinions as facts, that's when it's way outta line.

As far as supermediastore goes, the point is that they sell fake media, period. I was surprised that their linkyo media was fake as lordsmurf promotes them every chance. You concurred with that yourself. I'm just interested in knowing what lordsmurfs thoughts of supermediastore selling fake media are? I'm also interested in knowing if their test results have matched mine more or less when it comes to those fake Linkyo TYGO2's. Being that they seem to have tested every piece of media around, I'm genuinely interested in knowing.

[Fandim]

Mortomer, I'll pick up a pack next time I order..which ones exactly have the TYG02 media ID?

Linkyo 8X DVD-R in cake box

That the stuff? I know Supermedia store's +R ID was AML stuff..but that was actual AML...(I think I'd rather have fake TY's! LOL)

And is that the only type? Would like to get some printables if possible..if not I'll just pick up a 25 pack of those and post how things go..

[Fandim]

Something that I do find interesting...If you look at the picture under Linkyo 8x DVD-R, and check out the pic of the scanned disc...it says DVD+RW around the hub, lol... Interesting.

[lordsmurf]

I don't like *ANY* fake media of any kind. It does not matter who sells it, or under what brand name. Generic media in general in not a smart buy.

Stores that sell them as legit media deserve all the bad press they can get. Most stores learned this the hard way when they were hit by fake TDK and MXL media in years past.

When companies are secretive and engaging in illegal practices, like FORGING MEDIA ID's, it's not like you have their press release. The fact is the media DOES COME FROM Hong Kong. ODDS ARE that it's the same company, unless some other shady factory has set up shop in the same city. That is not too likely, as there are not many plants, and it's not like you can set these operations up in your garage. INFOSMART is also WELL KNOWN for past forgeries (MXLRG01 fakes).

CDfreaks and one other site reported much of this long ago. It's not that hard to do research and achieve the same findings.

[HatchetMan]

...he's basing the fact that Infosmart has numerous times in the past produced 'counterfeit' media, coupled with the fact that it is made in Hong Kong. (if you want to know where somethign is made, simply email the retailer and ask, normally they'll contact their supplier and find out, if they do not know off hand.

The fact is the media DOES COME FROM Hong Kong.

I emailed the retailer - shop4tech - and they said Taiwan.

[Mortomer]

fandim, yes, they were the 8x silver Linkyo's from Supermediastore that had the fake TYG02 MID. I don't know what other discs supermediastore sells that are fake or have the TYG02 code but probably more of those Linkyos. I can't say for sure as I haven't used any other Linkyo from them. And yes, that does seem shady that they are not only selling fake media but they have a scanned pic of a +RW disc under their Linkyo DVD-R product.

Another thing I find pretty funny is how supermediastore really hypes their linkyo. 5 out of 5 stars, and Grade A media. So now supermediastore is grading their fake media? Pretty funny stuff. I don't think the "Real" Taiyo Yuden can compete with that.

http://www.supermediastore.com/linkyo-8x-dvd-r-cake-box.html

lordsmurf, well at least you are unbiased towards fake media and don't appreciate it from any company. I guess in simple terms you aren't too happy supermediastore is selling fake TYG02 discs, right? I just find it interesting that you are quick to slam everyone who has a legit problem with supermediastore, or are quick to jump on this company or that company for making or selling fake media, but never mention your thoughts on a shady company like Supermediastore selling clearly fake and fabircated DVD-R's. Call me crazy, but I think the newbies that buy your opinions on topics or companies should know the good and the bad, not just have the bad be swept under the carpet and the good be spammed all over these boards.

I'd just think someone who is as strongly opinionated as you would share your thoughts on supermediastore knowingly selling fake discs. Because a company that's as reputable as you claim certainly wouldn't engage in those types of acts.

[lordsmurf]

The unfortunate, yet "acceptable" practice these days is to hide/mask/conceal fake media by calling it "generic" or "house brand". I think it sucks.

Everybody also likes to "grade" media, but the sellers really shouldn't be the ones doing it, as it often comes across with a screwy bias. Meritline calls it "standard, premium, or pro" media. Supermedia stores uses stars. Shop4tech "features" media (usually just the crap media too). In the end, this is all marketing speak, I pay it no attention. Meritline is probably the most accurate one. Rima doesn't even bother with any of this.

The only good that can come from any of this is that cheapo media drives down the price of legit media. That's really it's only value. But it doesn't mean I'll buy any of this fake junk or cheaply made coaster material.

...he's basing the fact that Infosmart has numerous times in the past produced 'counterfeit' media, coupled with the fact that it is made in Hong Kong. (if you want to know where somethign is made, simply email the retailer and ask, normally they'll contact their supplier and find out, if they do not know off hand.

The fact is the media DOES COME FROM Hong Kong.

I emailed the retailer - shop4tech - and they said Taiwan.

Somebody either lied to you or is stupid. Take your pick. That media comes from Hong Kong. At most, it may come second hand from a Taiwan distributor, but the media is most definitely stamped out in Hong Kong.

[Fandim]

Mortomer, I have to say something in Smurf's defense...

You say he's quick to slam other stores etc, I also see him saying meritline/rima etc can be trusted...mainly just slamming Shop4Tech, who's reputation is beyond screwed - and was before LordSmurf developed a negative oppinion, I promise you.

Also, I have dealt with Supermedia store, a LOT. What I have to say is...I've never seen LordSmurf say he was treated in any other way than how they've treated me in the past, with the very few problems I have had... Doubt he's making up his experiences, when they're nearly identical to mine. Some people have bad experiences, sure. They will with any company.

By the way, I'm in no way dissing the other stores - I dont have much experience with them..(except Newegg..and they're good, too.)

Also, his media descriptions seem pretty accurate with my experiences...(except for MCC, which I dislike greatly..But that seems to be just my burner that hates them, as a lot of other people have good experiences with them...kind of like he dosnt like TY media himself, but still lets others know that this media *is* probably the single most trusted, as well as one of the most reliable discs out there)
Seth

[Mortomer]

fandim, I read your post in detail and can see your points but I have to politely disagree. First, I don't have any personal issue vs. lordsmurf, I just think it's an absolute travesty that he puts forth his opinions as facts in the majority of the posts on these forums. Often times his information I can tell you is not accurate and if he dislikes a certain store or media he makes it sound like his testing is better then NASA's testing of space shuttles. It's one thing to put in your two cents, it's another to almost force and impose your opinions upon others and bash others when their opinions don't agree with yours.

As far as lordsmurf bashing other stores, you probably don't read as many posts as I do fandim because lordsmurf has bashed many other stores on many occasions and has on numerous occasions said he doesn't like newegg for this reason or that reason when the majority of the people on the web will tell you that's a nuts statement. Again, he is entitled to his opinion but to make it a point to slam this store or that store because "he" doesn't like them, that's just absurd and really shouldn't be tolerated on any forum.

But I think you missed my biggest point which is that supermediastore is clearly engaging in very shady business practices themselves so when someone has a gripe about them, they shouldn't be called liars as those members don't deserve that crap. Many of those members by the way were registered as well back as 2001, so they are long time members who don't deserve to be bashed for their legitimate complaints.

The last thing i'm gonna say is that I've received several different pm's from users on this forum who have agreed with exactly what i'm saying. I've also seen some of lordsmurfs board buddies try to back him but I suppose that's because they chat with each other about off topic stuff and are considered friends to one another. If they look at the facts as well I don't think there's any doubt that many of his posts are way out of line and very inaccurate.

I guess this post has now gone off topic a bit but to get back on topic, as I said before, I'm very satisfied with these discs and at the price. TYG02 have worked great for me and just like you fandim, I could care less about fake this or fake that as long as they work as well as they do.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Using an alias to sidestep a ban is a ban-able offense. Goodbye, Defense!
/ Moderator lordsmurf

[johnnywoo]

lordsmurf, well at least you are unbiased towards fake media and don't appreciate it from any company. I guess in simple terms you aren't too happy supermediastore is selling fake TYG02 discs, right? I just find it interesting that you are quick to slam everyone who has a legit problem with supermediastore, or are quick to jump on this company or that company for making or selling fake media, but never mention your thoughts on a shady company like Supermediastore selling clearly fake and fabircated DVD-R's. Call me crazy, but I think the newbies that buy your opinions on topics or companies should know the good and the bad, not just have the bad be swept under the carpet and the good be spammed all over these boards.

I'd just think someone who is as strongly opinionated as you would share your thoughts on supermediastore knowingly selling fake discs. Because a company that's as reputable as you claim certainly wouldn't engage in those types of acts.

Look at his site.. they are a sponsor.. of course he is gonna hype them even if he knows they are in the wrong or shady doings...

[lordsmurf]

Look at his site.. they are a sponsor.. of course he is gonna hype them even if he knows they are in the wrong or shady doings...

http://www.digitalfaq.com/advertise.htm#disclaimer


Americal is another truly crappy store. Bait and switch, fakes, lies, etc ... everything you possibly imagine as worst case, has happened with them with many buyers. Esbuy and yesbuy ... two more that truly represent gutter-trash media retailers.

None of these store reviews, BTW, are solely my experience. Neither are the media quality reviews. Many people, long term.

lordsmurf has bashed many other stores on many occasions and has on numerous occasions said he doesn't like newegg for this reason or that reason

You are mistaken. They are on the good list: http://www.digitalfaq.com/othervideo/buymedia.htm

But you're right, I personally don't like them. They've had a lot of problems this past year, and I don't like dealing with people that have a high screw-up ratio. Even more than that, all I've ever really seen them sell at a good price is RITEK or BEALL media, something I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole these days.

[johnnywoo]

no offense but when it comes down to it they pay the bills and everyone knows money talks.. or hushes up..

[canadateck]

no offense but when it comes down to it they pay the bills and everyone knows money talks.. or hushes up..

If everybody thought that way,imagine what this site would look like.

[Capmaster]

no offense but when it comes down to it they pay the bills and everyone knows money talks.. or hushes up..

They don't pay any of my bills, the last time I checked

And Baldrick has never suggested to any of his mods at any time to refrain from negatively commenting on sponsors. The very thought of that going on here is absurd

Just on a quick search, here is one of my posts about media suppliers. Keep in mind that Meritline is a sponsor, and Rima.com isn't:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1052191#1052191

[johnnywoo]

no offense but when it comes down to it they pay the bills and everyone knows money talks.. or hushes up..

They don't pay any of my bills, the last time I checked

And Baldrick has never suggested to any of his mods at any time to refrain from negatively commenting on sponsors. The very thought of that going on here is absurd

I am not talking about this site.. there einstein its "lordsmurf" site that he spams in alot of threads. It was just a common sense post.. think about it. If you slammed or reported your derogatory stuff on your sponser do you think they would be willing to pay you money to advertise on your site?

Get off the high horse and use your head here..

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
You were already banned when you called yourself "chunkt" ....
/ Moderator lordsmurf

[lordsmurf]

johnnywoo = ChunkT ... bye bye...

[Capmaster]

Good one Smurfie. I wonder what he'll call himself the next time he returns?

[RickTheRed]

Good one Smurfie. I wonder what he'll call himself the next time he returns?

Yep, me too. First ban was only two or three weeks ago. Nice try chunkT . Good catch Smurf :P

Anyway, I'm pretty fed up about this Sonic spam.

You want TY, well buy TY.
You want to save bucks, buy Sonic or anything else cheeper.

Other members have already posted their poor results with sonic.

Here is a good link at cdfreaks about fake TY . Sonic is fake (page 3)

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=112854

Conclusion (the smurf type conclusion)
Tou want TY, buy TY. End of discussion.

@Hatchetman
I am happy for you if you have good results with this media, however I think you do insist too much. It is not the first thread that you advertise Shop4tech.

We've got your point.

[HatchetMan]

@Hatchetman
I am happy for you if you have good results with this media, however I think you do insist too much. It is not the first thread that you advertise Shop4tech.

We've got your point.

I am not advertising shop4tech. The only time I mentioned it in this thread is because Fandim said email the supplier, so I did. I mentioned it in another thread because they are the only sellers that I have seen. I posted the results because originally people were asking about cheap but good inkjet printable (including hub) media. At 29.7 cents a pop - shipped, this stuff is a steal. I thought I'd be the guinea pig and test them out, since I have genuine TY to compare them to. Last night I did Nero Speed Test on them, avg 9.67x on these and 10.00 on the TY's in my rig, so pretty darn close. Still haven't produced and error. If you want to burn faster than the advertised rated speed, then genuine TY is the way to go. If you are happy burning at 8x and then printing high quality photos onto at an affordable price, then these might be worth checking in to. I love TY, but I ain't made outta money. That's just my 2 cents worth.