How important is 3:2 pulldown?

[pyrate83]

I am trying to figure out if the price difference in these two tv's is worth it since one has 3:2 pulldown but was rated lower for HD and DVD playback quality in Consumer Reports and the other was rated higher in HD and DVD playback quality but doesn't have any 3:2 pulldown.

[yoda313]

Hello,

I would imagine the hd playback quality is FAR MORE important than 3:2. Though I'm no expert - just a hunch

Kevin

[pyrate83]

Cool thanks. That'll save me 300 bucks then!

[yoda313]

Cool thanks. That'll save me 300 bucks then!

Hello,

Do a little more research though. I haven't done as much hd research as you apparently have done. I'm just saying what I would think makes sense.

Kevin

[Guest]

I thought 3:2 pulldown was a dvd player feature.

[flaninacupboard]

it can be either, 3:2 pulldown in a TV is useful if you have an old dvd player, VHS, LD or analogue TV. it does the pulldown so you can watch in progressive scan.

The other unit probably also supports progressive scan, but only if you give it a progressive source (new DVD player and digital TV)

[pyrate83]

Oh, that makes sense.

[lordsmurf]

This is an on topic post. Movied...

[edDV]

Get the one "rated higher in HD and DVD playback quality"

3:2 pulldown refers to a technique for progressive conversion of film sources on NTSC DVD. This is usually done in the DVD player (one with high quality progressive conversion).

I'd be surprised if it has any application to movies received from the TV tuner. 99% of people wouldn't notice the presence or absense of 3:2 conversion removal during progressive scan conversion.

[adam]

I am pretty sure that 3:2 pulldown detection in a tv has nothing to do with outputting an NTSCfilm encoded DVD progressively. That is what a progressive scan dvd player is for, but 3:2 pulldown detection, rather is expressly for sources which are not encoded progressively. If you play an interlaced source on the progressive tv it will typically deinterlace it in some way. If the tv supports the 3:2 pulldown detection then it can effect this deinterlacing in a more intelligent manner if the source orginated as film. I don't know that it is necessarily doing an exact inverse telecine, but let's just say that it is a markedly more efficient way to do it.

If all you play are NTSC DVDs then you likely don't need 3:2 pulldown detection on your tv as long as you have a progressive scan DVD player. The exceptions would be things like tv episodic DVDs which are typically not shot at 24ps.

The 3:2 pulldown detection is really for the things that flaninacupboard already mentioned; analogue sources which are stored at 29.97fps.

[edDV]

I have a Pioneer DVD player that has 3:2 progressive correction. Since I know what to look for I can see the difference when it is on or off, but I don't mind at all if it is off. Maybe if I had a 100 inch screen it would be more obvious.

TV broadcasts have lots of film originated material. Most all episodic series and commercials are shot on film. Some do 29.97 fps film (mostly commericals) but most historically shoot 24fps to save on film stock. A few sitcoms are now shot in HDTV.

My HDTV does progressive conversion but doesn't have 3:2 pulldown correction and I've never missed it. What I do see are motion artifacts that come with the live TV deinterlacing territory.

[flaninacupboard]

It always suprises when people say that can't see that a film is Telecined. Perhaps it comes from watching PAL all the time, but i find the Telecine process very distracting. as such i capture my NTSC LD's and IVTC to 25fps PAL.

A 3:2 pulldown circuit will be most welcome in my next TV

[edDV]

I'm limiting my comments to watching over the air standard definition broadcast from film material sources watched on a standard NTSC TV or a HDTV which does on the fly progressive conversion.

What you see on a 25fps PAL TV or computer monitor from NTSC 3:2 pulldown sources may be different.