IEEE and DV questions ...

[Lucifers_Ghost]

Yo, whats up everyone?

Two questions:

1) I have an MSI-KT4V motherboard. In the specs, I dont see IEEE support anywhere in there. However, I have a USB expansion card in one of the PCI slots and it works great. Outside the tower, I have an IEEE expansion card. Now, they both have the same "looking" plug. By that I mean, the usb expansion card has the same connection as the IEEE plug. Can I assume that the IEEE card will work or is it just a co-incidence that the plugs look the same?

and

2) My dad has a video camera that uses DV tapes. I want to copy the tapes on to my computer and make some DVD's for the family as xmas gifts. The camera uses an IEEE connection (hence the first question). I assumed that copying the DV movies onto the computer was the same as just copying digital pictures off the same camera. Go into explorer, highlight, copy and paste. My dad said this is not the case. I have to get a program to "record" them to my computer. So, whats the deal?

Thanks in advance.

LG

[underwurlde]

Hi,

Yes the plugs do look the same but look again! USB is square ended and IEEE firewire has one of the corners cut off. & NO you can't plug IEEE into USB!

Your dad is correct. Grabbing a digital image from the camera using USB is simple. Plug it in & the camera 'looks' like you've just added an extra HDD & then you copy & paste your images (from the SIM card).

You CANNOT apply this method to the Digitally stored video! The information in stored on the magnetic tape that you may be able to grab via the USB but better still use the IEEE FireWire port.

(Your camera MAY support MPEG2 encoding, if so capture in this manner)

Use a program like DVApp, DVIO, FlyCap or WinDV. Play around with them to see which suits you.

I HOPE you have bags of HDD space as 1 SECOND (yes 1 SECOND) of DV data will take up 3.57MB of HDD space!! i.e 1 hour = 12.77GB! Ouch!

Now your problems are just starting because now you have to then convert the DV format (if MPEG2 is not supported) to the DVD format MPEG2 before authoring & then burning your DVD !

GOOD LUCK!

Andy

[lacywest]

From your mobo model number ... we have the same mobo.

I do a lot of capturing ... I have a Belkin FireWire card installed.

I transfer from/with JVC Mini DV cameras.

I use Scenalyzer Live v20021115 for the program to accomplish this when I transfer/record a DV Tape from my video camera.

[solarfox]

I have an MSI-KT4V motherboard. In the specs, I dont see IEEE support anywhere in there. However, I have a USB expansion card in one of the PCI slots and it works great. Outside the tower, I have an IEEE expansion card.

I don't completely understand what you mean by "outside the tower." Does this mean you have an IEEE1394 card you haven't installed yet?

Now, they both have the same "looking" plug. By that I mean, the usb expansion card has the same connection as the IEEE plug. Can I assume that the IEEE card will work or is it just a co-incidence that the plugs look the same?

As underwurlde says -- look closer. No, they're not even remotely the same -- and in face, the connections on the back of the cards shouldn't look the same; a USB port is rectangular, with all four corners squared, with the single row of contacts visibly offset from center, like so:

   __________
  | ~~~~~~~~ |
  |__________|

Whereas an IEEE1394/Firewire port has beveled corners on one side and the double-row of contacts in the center, like this:

   _______
  |       \
  | ~~~~~  |
  |_______/

My dad has a video camera that uses DV tapes. I want to copy the tapes on to my computer and make some DVD's for the family as xmas gifts. The camera uses an IEEE connection (hence the first question). I assumed that copying the DV movies onto the computer was the same as just copying digital pictures off the same camera. Go into explorer, highlight, copy and paste. My dad said this is not the case. I have to get a program to "record" them to my computer. So, whats the deal?

Your father is correct -- video is not stored the same way that digital pictures are; it doesn't exist as a "file", so you can't just drag it around.

The programs underwurlde listed should work fine -- on the other hand, your Dad's camera (and probably your IEEE1394 card, come to think of it!) should have come with some kind of consumer-grade video capture-and-edit package like ULead Video Studio, Pinnacle Studio, or some other such application. If they did, you might want to give those a try first, since they'll give you the basic tools necessary to at least get the hang of the process before you start monkeying around with more complex and/or powerful tools.

[Lucifers_Ghost]

Ok. I will clarify my post a little.

The two cards that I have with the plugs that look identical .. what I meant to say was, the plug that plugs into the motherboard is the same, not the plug that you plug the external device into. I know that a usb and ieee plug isnt the same. My apologies for the confusion.

Basically, what I cant find anywhere is if my mobo has ieee support on it so I can plug in my external ieee expansion card.

Again, my bad on the confusion.

EDIT: Oh and I have the software needed to do the capturing. I have Ulead :P

EDIT No. 2: If you look at a picture of the mobo, the plug I am referring to is the blue plug down by the yellow IDE cable slots.

[lacywest]

Dude ... you have the same mobo I have ... check my computer specs.

The L ... stands for LAN built in .... NO ... you don't have a FireWire connection.

Go out and spend $40 bucks and get a FireWire Card.

You do have the ability to hook up at least 4 USB 2.0 ... plugs in the back and another two USB 2.0 in the front ... if your tower has USB ports built in the front portion of your tower.

I don't ... on my tower ... but my daughter's computer she does have USB ports in the front ... very convenient but ... LOL .... I didn't connect them and she has her computer buried in a fancy cabinet. So she is using the USB ports in the back.

[Lucifers_Ghost]

Then what the heck is that blue plug for? Is that for usb?

[lacywest]

Then what the heck is that blue plug for? Is that for usb?

Link to

• KT4V (Pure/Basic Version)

• KT4V-L (onboard 10/100 LAN)

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=362

On-Board Peripherals include:

- 1 floppy port supports 2 FDDs with 360K, 720K, 1.2M, 1.44M and 2.88Mbytes
- 2 serial ports (COM A + COM B)
- 1 parallel port supports SPP/EPP/ECP mode
- Vertical audio ports
- 1 SPDIF output (1 x 3) with housing (Optional)
- 6 USB ports (Rear x 4/ Front x 2)

You need to explain ...

Describe Plug ... something you poke with ... aka male
Describe Jack ... something that gets poked ... aka female


Your going to have a lot of jacks on the back of your tower where all the mobo connections are.

If you have a firewire connection it will be on a card ... located on the bottom portion where the other cards are located.

[Lucifers_Ghost]

Check out this link and enlarge the picture.

Its the blue plug right below the yellow IDE plugs. Its not a connection on the back of the mobo (ie. like a video card or something). This plug is actually on the mobo inside the case

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=362

[lacywest]

Check out this link and enlarge the picture.

Its the blue plug right below the yellow IDE plugs. Its not a connection on the back of the mobo (ie. like a video card or something). This plug is actually on the mobo inside the case

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=362

Download the manual in PDF format ... and use it to identify the item ... in question

The link is to the left on that webpage

[solarfox]

Lucifers_Ghost wrote:[/i]
Then what the heck is that blue plug for? Is that for usb?

It's the blue plug right below the yellow IDE plugs.

That's exactly what it's for, yes -- your motherboard supports 6 USB ports, four in the back and two in the front if your case has a front-USB connector to plug in to that blue socket (or if you get one of those drive-bay-mounted front-connector units).

If your motherboard had onboard Firewire, MSI would say so on the website page for that board. They don't, so it doesn't.

You will need to obtain a proper IEEE1394 PCI card. I'm partial to SIIG's products, myself, since I've used a variety of their expansion cards over the years and never had any trouble with them, but I doubt there's much difference between any of them these days...