Prison Inmates in Missouri given flu shots!!! WTF!!!!

[budz]

Prison inmates in Missouri are given flu vaccinations! WTF!!!!

Take a look at this article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-10-19-inmates-flu-shots_x.htm

I read about it in our local newspaper in Honolulu. That is so FUKED up giving the flu vaccinations to prisoners while there is a nation wide shortage of the vaccine. I can understand giving them to workers who work in the prison system. In my opinion those prisoners don't deserve shit! A few days ago in the Bay area of San Francisco a woman in her 70's stood in line for the flu vaccine with her husband, she moved to a shaded area because it was a hot day and they did not expect so many people standing in line. The Safeway market that was giving out the vaccinations gave out water and snacks to those waiting in line. The woman fainted and hit her head on a electrical box and died. But here we're giving fucken prison inmates the vaccines for fucken FREE! That is so messed up! Ok, I'm done ranting!

[hech54]

I agree. We neet to go back to bread and water for these CRIMINALS.

[northcat_8]

[quote="budz"But here we're giving fucken prison inmates the vaccines for fucken FREE! That is so messed up! Ok, I'm done ranting! [/quote]

Not free. Those are our Tax dollars at work.

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.

[yoda313]

Hello,

[quote="Northcat_8"]But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

[northcat_8]

[quote="yoda313"]Hello,

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

That would be "offence" :P

I admit I'm no history buff, but if that's true...that sure would explain a lot.

[yoda313]

[QUOTE="northcat_8"]

Hello,

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

That would be "offence" :P

I admit I'm no history buff, but if that's true...that sure would explain a lot.

Hello,

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Kevin

P.S. That's why they speak with something similar to an English accent (not exact no insult intended! ) - New Zealands much closer - ever heard an interview of LOTR director PETER JACKSON?????

[northcat_8]

[quote="yoda313"]

Hello,

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

That would be "offence" :P

I admit I'm no history buff, but if that's true...that sure would explain a lot.

Hello,

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Kevin

P.S. That's why they speak with something similar to an English accent (not exact no insult intended! ) - New Zealands much closer - ever heard an interview of LOTR director PETER JACKSON?????

That's probably around the time they started having relations with sheep too. But you know....it was probably either sheep or turn gay....at least they have some morals :P

[bugster]

[quote="northcat_8"]

Hello,

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

That would be "offence" :P

I admit I'm no history buff, but if that's true...that sure would explain a lot.

Hello,

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Kevin

P.S. That's why they speak with something similar to an English accent (not exact no insult intended! ) - New Zealands much closer - ever heard an interview of LOTR director PETER JACKSON?????

That's probably around the time they started having relations with sheep too. But you know....it was probably either sheep or turn gay....at least they have some morals :P

I believe it was the Welsh that got shipped out to Oz simply carrying on with their normal lifestyles as much as they could

[JohnnyCNote]

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Prior to that it was the state (colony) of Georgia....

[JohnnyCNote]

I agree. We neet to go back to bread and water for these CRIMINALS.

You oversimplify a very complex issue. Perhaps the mainstream prison population doesn't need the vaccine, but those in poor health would. Perhaps you should look into the number of people who are wrongfully convicted in the US - you'd be surprised at the numbers. Would you say the same of someone convicted of "lying" to the Feds, like Martha Stewart?

This lock 'em up and throw away the key approach has resulted in the highest incarceration rate in the world. At some point a majority of prisoners will be released. Rates of recidivism are directly related to how well they are prepared to return to society.

Maybe you should look into this issue a bit more closely....

[jimmalenko]

bastards. You're all bastards

[yoda313]

Hello,

bastards. You're all bastards

Come on Jimmy, we're just talking history! (ashamed of your nations birth?????? )

Kevin

---No offense, hey the US is just here because of a bunch of malcontents who didn't like England either! ---

[jimmalenko]

none taken, yoda

[VCDHunter]

[quote="bugster"]

Hello,

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

That would be "offence" :P

I admit I'm no history buff, but if that's true...that sure would explain a lot.

Hello,

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Kevin

P.S. That's why they speak with something similar to an English accent (not exact no insult intended! ) - New Zealands much closer - ever heard an interview of LOTR director PETER JACKSON?????

That's probably around the time they started having relations with sheep too. But you know....it was probably either sheep or turn gay....at least they have some morals :P

I believe it was the Welsh that got shipped out to Oz simply carrying on with their normal lifestyles as much as they could

I'm afraid that's a terrible misnomer - it was infact the English that were determined to carry on their sheep shagging ways, the sheep only came to Wales to escape the continued sexual harrasment of the English. Ewe really should know better

[Capmaster]

The sheep part got my attention. Then I read the bad pun

[VCDHunter]

The sheep part got my attention. Then I read the bad pun

WTF ? Now you don't like bad puns ? Or are you just running with the herd ? :P

[adam]

I don't know, consider the logistics. You've got a whole hell of a lot of people living in very close quarters, 24 hours a day. It would only take a handful of flu outbreaks to cause an epidemic. Then you'd spend much more in treatment then you would have on inoculations.

I definitely agree though that in some parts of the country, prisoners are given too many rights. Some have private tv's or even limited internet access. Combine that with three square meals a day and some free medical service and that actually gives many people an incentive to go to jail.

My biggest gripe with the prison system is that they seem to universally provide weights. Why would you take a group of violent individuals, living in a very violent environment, and then give them something to make them more violent (tesosterone) and more dangerous. Some of those guys are huge. Small weights for conditioning would be fine, but those guys do not need to be pressing 280lbs.

[Capmaster]

WTF ? Now you don't like bad puns ? Or are you just running with the herd ? :P

No, I love bad puns. Always have. And I'd never discourage puns of any sort.

I just reserve the right to turn green and groan when I hear one

[bugster]

[quote="VCDHunter"]

Hello,

But I do agree 100% what a crock of shite. I think all prisoner should be put on an island and left to fend for themselves...like Antarctica.
[/qoute]

Isn't that how Australia got started???? ( no offense jimmalenko! ).

Though, that might be ONE reality tv show I'd watch!

Kevin

That would be "offence" :P

I admit I'm no history buff, but if that's true...that sure would explain a lot.

Hello,

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Kevin

P.S. That's why they speak with something similar to an English accent (not exact no insult intended! ) - New Zealands much closer - ever heard an interview of LOTR director PETER JACKSON?????

That's probably around the time they started having relations with sheep too. But you know....it was probably either sheep or turn gay....at least they have some morals :P

I believe it was the Welsh that got shipped out to Oz simply carrying on with their normal lifestyles as much as they could

I'm afraid that's a terrible misnomer - it was infact the English that were determined to carry on their sheep shagging ways, the sheep only came to Wales to escape the continued sexual harrasment of the English. Ewe really should know better

Oh, if thats the case there must be some other reason that Wellies are so popular amongst the Welsh

[VCDHunter]

WTF ? Now you don't like bad puns ? Or are you just running with the herd ? :P

No, I love bad puns. Always have. And I'd never discourage puns of any sort.

I just reserve the right to turn green and groan when I hear one

Glad to hear it. I entered a local paper's pun contest. I sent in ten
different puns, in the hope that at least one of the puns would win.
Unfortunately, no pun in ten did. :P

[Capmaster]

WTF ? Now you don't like bad puns ? Or are you just running with the herd ? :P

No, I love bad puns. Always have. And I'd never discourage puns of any sort.

I just reserve the right to turn green and groan when I hear one

Glad to hear it. I entered a local paper's pun contest. I sent in ten
different puns, in the hope that at least one of the puns would win.
Unfortunately, no pun in ten did. :P

Oohhhhh

I co-authored a book with my brother-in-law Bob. My sister Candi is an artist and she did the illustrations. We were going to call it "Malignant Humor" but since it might be selling in hospital gift shops, we decided a more discrete name would be better. We titled it "Humoroids", and it was nothing but puns cover to cover.

We sent the manuscript to over a hunderd publishing houses and almost every time it came back unopened ...the legal issue with unsolicited manuscrpits and all. Everyone liked it, but nobody thought it would sell well. They said most people want humor that hits them over the head. Puns are too intelligent for most people, being the highest form of humor and all. Oh well ....

[northcat_8]

Damn you guys for making me go intelectual

I agree with JohnnyCNote.

Our current system is a "stimulous-response" system. Where as "if you do this" we will "do that to you for it". Our system is built in reactionary principles instead of proactivity. The problem is not the behavior, but rather why the behavior was exhibited in the first place.

All people have basic psychological needs that must be met. Freedom, Power, Belonging and Fun. Now those are paraphrased and put in layman's terms but basically. Everyone needs to have a feeling somewhere in their world where they feel free to make some decisions. Everyone does something that gets them noticed, that they feel they do well, that gives them a feeling of power. This is obviously observable in women but is also as prevelant in men. Everyone, no matter how much of a hardass wants to belong to something IE: friends, family, whatever. Also everyone likes to have fun.

I know we've all heard of criminals who prefer the inside, that's because when they get out, they have a difficult time finding belonging. Depending on the length of their incarciration, many of them find their belonging or family inside the prison and would rather be inside with them.

The issue is not what to do about the behavior after the fact, the issue is how to prevent the behavior from happening to begin with.

You see the same principles when you hear parents talking about rebeling teenagers. The teens rebel because they have a powerless feeling. The kids are trying to grow up, the parents think they know best and the kid disagrees and you find rebellion.

It's a basic principle and it happens all the time, even we as adults rebel. Just not to the extent or as personal as our children will.

Until we as a society learn how curb the behavior before it happens or to handle the behavior as it begins to progress, our society will always remain a stimulous-response society and will always remain reactive instead of proactive.

And just to add a little more insult....a logical man might rationalize that if the current correctional system was working, then the number of inmates would be decreasing, but the converse of that is true. Which to a logical man would tend to make him think that change would be in order. So now we are stuck in the "I don't know what else to do" or the "that's how it's always been done" mentality and there we will remain at least throughout our lifetimes.

Take our little group here. Most of us who are here find some sense of belonging here (even though anonymously). We each have a power source, or something we are known for on here, we do have fun, and freedom is obvious but within structure. Matter of fact, I will even go one step further as to the people who spend most of their time in other forums helping others. They do that, because they say "they are just trying to help" when in reality, them helping others is a very good source of power and it makes them feel good to help others.

Alright that's enough intelect for one day, I come here to goof off. now where are those photoshopped pics of babyboo

[yoda313]

Hello,

Are we getting into politics????

Let's talk about nothing again!

Kevin

[Capmaster]

Hello,

Are we getting into politics????

Let's talk about nothing again!

Kevin

Nope. It's not politics. It's crime and punishment, which by definition includes most if not all politicians, but once they're imprisoned, they're no longer politicians. They're receptacles

[CoasterCreator]

ok I have actually thought about this one and with this topic I not only belive its bullshit ..I know it is...belive me if you have no place to go or eat would it be so easy to commit a crime and get food, a blanket and a place to eat or clean up....???

and people who know the system can get most anything in jail like drugs, tv, and god know what else...let see hum? how can we make it more comfortable for them ?..oh I know lets give them weights so they can not only scare the shit out of the prison gaurds but when they get out they can intimidate the outside with what they learnt in the inside ..

my thoughts have always been ...NO weight just physical exercise...and if they want to eat a regular meal they have to work for it ,,,,,otherwise they get water , bread some milk and vitamins ( maybe some flinstones) and know this ...well lets all commit a crime so we can get some food , rest and lift some weights OH AND a flu shot ,,,,although some of us might get a stiff one in the pooper..

[Ripper2860]

Yeah if I remember right I think Australia was Englands penal colony somewhere in the 1800s.

Oooooooo! You said PENAL !!!

Where 's a mod when you need one ??

BTW --- It is true. But didn't you mean a "penile" colony? That would explain why there are so many dick-heads !!


J/K -- No offence, please !!

[northcat_8]

J/K -- No offence, please !!

[hech54]

You oversimplify a very complex issue.
Maybe you should look into this issue a bit more closely....

OK....how about lock them up...throw away the key...and let them prey on each other instead of preying on people who obey the law?
Works for me....

And as far as Martha goes....that back-stabbing little bitch is only in jail for one reason....she is a back-stabbing little bitch and MANY people got tired of her little tantrums and stomping on the backs of her own employees necks for YEARS while she portrayed this wholesome - girl next door image. What goes around comes around REALLY is true in her case. There are literally DOZENS of corporate cases daily that involve MUCH worse fraud and unscrupulous business practices than she commited....they just weren't "public" liars.

[Capmaster]

They showed Martha on the news this morning. Apparently she gets to do creative cooking while in prison. Oh, that'll teach her all right. Limit her activities to only stuff she likes to do. What a fabulous justice system we have here :P

How about we lock 'em in a room and throw away the room

[JohnnyCNote]

I'll add one final comment:

In 1981 I was assaulted by 4 youths with clubs while walking down the street in San Francisco one evening. They hit me in the face and head, broke my glasses, forcing fragments of glass into my left eye. I sustained permanent damage and have had to wear an eye patch ever since, and have had eight operations so far to try to restore usable sight.

That being said, I have very strong opinions when it comes to violent criminals. I think they should be locked up for a long time, either until they're too old to be a danger to anyone else, or, in rare cases, until there's a very high certainty they won't commit another violent crime.

Here in Florida a while back they actually released a large number of violent criminals in order to make room for non-violent ones serving mandatory minimum sentences for drug related crimes. That makes me angry, a lot angrier than some prisoners getting flu shots. We have too many people in prison who really don't need to be there, whether for drug convictions, or because they're mentally ill and have gotten caught up in the criminal justice system because of inadequate availability mental health or drug treatment.

Add to that a system in which many jurisdictions emphasize making cases against someone regardless of his or her guilt rather than actually solving crimes, resulting in innocent people being targeted, and you have a disfunctional criminal justice system. Recall that in Illinois several years ago, 13 prisoners on death row were released after they were completely exonerated.

Check out Murder on a Sunday Morning, winner of the Best Documentary Oscar in 2002. It happened here in Jacksonville, so it's a case I'm very familiar with.....