Can I burn a Mpeg2 file in a dvd-R?

[Rigo]

I don't really like all that menu and preview stuff.
I'm using now the DVD-Shrink and I do the "re-author" to select only the movie chapter,without subtitles,extras,special features,etc.
Can I put a mpg2 file in a dvd-r?
Even if I need to sacrifice a little bit of the picture quality,is fine.
The problem is that when a movie is 2 hours or longer I get some problems at the end of the movie sometimes.
For me there is no way to find out if a 2 hrs of movie is going be okay or not.
thanks for any advice.

[yoda313]

Hello,

Yes. You need to author it with a program like tmpgenc dvd author or ulead dvd movie factory or a host of others. If it's too large you could either reencode the mpeg file to a smaller bit rate or shrink the authored folder so it fits on the disc.

Kevin

[Baldrick]

You can't just put a mpeg2 file on a dvd, you must author it. But I don't understand what mpeg2 files has to do with dvd shrink ?? it outputs dvd vobs ready to be burned. And if you have playback problems be sure to test different media.

[jyn999]

Can I put a mpg2 file in a dvd-r?

Yes, if you are burning a data disk but it won't be playable on 99% of the standalone DVD players.

If you want to watch the movie on a standalone DVD player, you have to use a DVD authoring program to create the necessary DVD file structure.

[Gurm]

Your problem isn't DVD shrink or the length of the movie.

Your problem is bad media.

Get good media, and your problem will go away.

General rule: if the movie craps out at the end, buy better media.

[mats.hogberg]

...or compress a little more, like down to 4.2 GB.

/Mats

[Rigo]

Better media?? but you guys don't give any name.

I got before Ritek,the movies were fine,but not all of them.
Now I have Maxell,they work fine(DVD+R 4.7GB--2 HRS SP MODE) but the same,not all the movies.

But the media issue doesn't make sense to me,the reason is,if the media is the problem,all movies would get a problem,and in my case,most of the movies are fine,sometimes I backup a 2 hrs movie and has problems at the end,then I backup a 2.15 hrs and play perfect,see,after this results kinda contradict the "media" issue.

I red in some web site that this cdr's and dvd'rs medias is just a big mess for the consumers,that why they want to create the "digital VHS" in some way is true because.
All the new tehnology on cd'rs and dvd'rs is kinda not standard,if someone want a dvd burner and backup movies,make sure you your computer,dvd standalone player,etc,etc,are compatible with this dvdr's etc,etc
Interesting because the problem that I have is exactly about compatibility.
If we buy a cassette tape,is a 100% guarantee that is going to play in any cassette player,if I buy a vhs movie,is going to play in any vcr.

And all that people that that hate those who make dvd copies,and mp3 download,etc,etc,what about the consumers?(us)
ops,out of the subject,lol!!!

[bugster]

But the media issue doesn't make sense to me,the reason is,if the media is the problem,all movies would get a problem,and in my case,most of the movies are fine,sometimes I backup a 2 hrs movie and has problems at the end,then I backup a 2.15 hrs and play perfect,see,after this results kinda contradict the "media" issue.

No contradictions. It is not the length of the movie, it is the size of the movie (the VOBS etc). The way I understand it is this- A DVD is written from the inner edge of the disc outwards. Due to the way the dye is applied to a DVDr when it is being manufactured, the quality of the spread of the dye tends to be a bit more variable towards the outer edges (it too is applied from the center outwards). A 'quality' disk brand will have less poor disks in any batch than a cheaper one but even with the best some disks will always be a bit worse than others. It also depends on your DVD player, some are more susceptible to poor dye spread than others.

If you take mats advice and shrink a little smaller (4.2 Gig or even 4.1) the chances of a movie encountering bad dye at the outer edge (towards the end of the movie) is reduced.

But always buy good media, you will regret it if you don't.

[Gurm]

The other problem here is that you are making the novice mistake of confusing LENGTH with SIZE.

I have seen 90 minute movies that are 5+ GB, and I've seen 3 hour movies that are less than a single DVD-R.

[Rigo]

Okay,but everybody said "buy good media" and so far nobody said if those maxell dvdr+ are considered "good media".
I understand the difference about LENGTH/// SIZE. that why I said that is okay if I sacrifice the video quality a little bit after reducing or making the movie size smaller,because I red a while ago in this forum how the dvd is burn,from inside>out,that is the reason why I do the "re-author" now,so I can reduce the file size.

About good media,you guys think that I should search this forum and see who has the same dvd standalone player that I have,and do the same with the dvd burner,software,etc?
thanks for the help.

[jyn999]

Okay,but everybody said "buy good media" and so far nobody said if those maxell dvdr+ are considered "good media".
I understand the difference about LENGTH/// SIZE. that why I said that is okay if I sacrifice the video quality a little bit after reducing or making the movie size smaller,because I red a while ago in this forum how the dvd is burn,from inside>out,that is the reason why I do the "re-author" now,so I can reduce the file size.

About good media,you guys think that I should search this forum and see who has the same dvd standalone player that I have,and do the same with the dvd burner,software,etc?
thanks for the help.

Mats had a good suggestion. Force DVD Shrink to use a smaller target size and you won't burn at the disc's outer limits.

[bugster]

About good media,you guys think that I should search this forum and see who has the same dvd standalone player that I have,and do the same with the dvd burner,software,etc?
thanks for the help.

If you look across to the LHS of this page you will see a heading 'DVD players'. Search for your DVD player in there and see if anyone has reported problems or success with a particular make/brand of DVDr.

BTW, neither the name on the box nor the price is a reliable indication to quality of DVDr's. Its the true manufacturer that you need to know, many disks are branded. The Media ID on the disk is the important piece of info. This can be found using DVDInfoPro.

Taking a look at www.nomorecoasters.com might help in selecting media too.

[Rigo]

I backup Gardfield and guess what,the stupid thing craps out in the fisrt chapter all the time.
This is so frustrated.
Anyway,using the same software,media,etc,etc the Van Helsing play perfect,about 29 chapter,more than 2 hours.

Still you guys think the problem is the media?

[jyn999]

1. Try another brand.
2. Use a RW disc for test burns. If you make a mistake or the backup turns out badly, erase it and reuse.

[snafu099]

Contrary to the other replys I do not think the issue is your media as you indicate good results/bad results using the same media

Consider the variables of what you are doing.

If I read correctly, you are backing up commerical dvd using dvdshrink.
Each original disc is different, dvdshrink may not handle them all as consistently as you expect

The suggestions in the other replys are mostly valid as general statement, but from you post I don't think that is the problem by itself

Yes the current state of home dvd creation is a confusion of compatibity issues. What works for me may not work for you unless you have the same hardware, use the same software and we both use the same step by step methods.

I use cheap princo 1x -r media with my Nec 1300a burner with dvdshrink and/or Ulead MF2 with no issue, however I have set dvdshrink to use a taget size of 4g and when I capture I use a bitrate that is going to create a file of around 4g, I never push it to the limit of disc media for size

[bugster]

Contrary to the other replys I do not think the issue is your media as you indicate good results/bad results using the same media
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I use cheap princo 1x -r media with my Nec 1300a burner with dvdshrink and/or Ulead MF2 with no issue, however I have set dvdshrink to use a taget size of 4g and when I capture I use a bitrate that is going to create a file of around 4g, I never push it to the limit of disc media for size

Your posts confuses me. First you say you do not believe the problem to be media related, yet you do not offer any alternatives. Then you provide some info on what you do and your described methods are exactly those used in order to cater for the problems of cheap media!

I am confused

[Gurm]

So is he.

[Blazey]

What are you using to burn the disc? If it isn't DVD Decrypter, try it. It made many of my problems go away. For instance, if you are burning from within DVD Shrink with the Nero engine, stop it. This never works out with the hardware I have. It may be fine for other people, but every piece of equipment and software behave differently in every different environment. Your house is a different temperature than mine, your AC Current is PROBABLY a bit different than mine, your laser on your DVD player may be weakening, etc, etc. - these all add up to some trial and error to find the correct set of variables in your personal situation.

Good luck.

[Rigo]

Here is a sample of a DVD-Info utility sofyware,give all the details of the media type,etc,etc,thanks to BugSter.Both movies burned with the same software(clone-dvd)I backup with DVD-Shrink>save in hard drive and open the file with clone-DVD and burn it.This movie is Van Helsing,more than 2 hours,play perfect.
Now that you guys can see my dvd's ID,can you tell if this media is bad? or good?


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Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01
Media Product Revision Number 02h
Format Type UDF 1.02
Volume Name VIDEO_DVD
Application id ELBY CLONEDVD
Implementation id ELABORATE BYTES
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 10/20/2004 20:30:02
Format Capacity 4.36GB(4.68GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 22E21Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 E2 1F .............%..
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR
00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

===================================

[Rigo]

and here is the next movie,smaller,less time and the same media and proces,the movie? GARFIELD.
This is the ID right? RICOHJPNR01
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Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01
Media Product Revision Number 02h
Format Type UDF 1.02
Volume Name VIDEO_DVD
Application id ELBY CLONEDVD
Implementation id ELABORATE BYTES
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 10/20/2004 17:45:10
Format Capacity 4.36GB(4.68GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 22E22Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 E2 2F .............%./
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR
00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

[Rigo]

and again guys,I fell this dvd'r+- bla bla bla !!

is a big mess,,BIG MESS
and tell me,who pay the price?,the consumers,I pay 30 dollars for media and for example,ten of 100 disk go in the garbage.but in my case is worse,I buy about 15 dvdr's and I have problems with 5 of them
That why I want to make my backups in cdr's,I don't want the 120% quality picture,I have several movies in cdr's and they always play perfect.

Going back to the subject,I want to ask with a very friendly tone,please check the ID of my dvdr's,and tell me if is bad media or not,if is a good media,how you can explain the "craps" in my movies?
For what I can understand by reading in :http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
we are always going to have problems with this technology.

[Rigo]

I forgot,the Garfield movie play bad in the first chapter.

I have a Pioneer DV525
LiteON burner LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-811S
DVD-Shrink 3.1 to back-up
CloneDVD to burn

[Blazey]

What are you using to burn the disc? If it isn't DVD Decrypter, try it. It made many of my problems go away. For instance, if you are burning from within DVD Shrink with the Nero engine, stop it. This never works out with the hardware I have. It may be fine for other people, but every piece of equipment and software behave differently in every different environment. Your house is a different temperature than mine, your AC Current is PROBABLY a bit different than mine, your laser on your DVD player may be weakening, etc, etc. - these all add up to some trial and error to find the correct set of variables in your personal situation.

Good luck.

I'll just restate this and maybe you'll read it this time. There are NO HARD AND FAST ANSWERS! You must try different things when what you are doing dosen't work. Even if your media sucks, it should work more often than not!

Read this thread:
https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=pioneer+dv-525&Search=Search&country=&...y=Name&hits=25
There have been successful peoplke with your media on your player.

[Rigo]

The reason for all this posts was because I was not able to create my VCD movies,but now I have SmartRipper>>>DVD2AVI>>>TMPGEnc working like used to be few years ago,now I can make the backups as VCD.
Thanks to everybody for taking the time to help me,I learn a lot about this dvd compatability issues.
thanks again.