editing ripped dvd content in premiere pro 1.5

[low-fat-al]

Hi,

I know this sounds complicated but it is for the company I work for. I have to make a mixed music video DVD compilation for some of the nightclubs we own.

I have picked several music videos from a music video subscription service we have. I use DVD Decrypter in IFO mode and choose the chapters I want one at a time. I use direct streaming and DEMUX the audio but leave the video RAW. I have mainconcept MPEG Plug-in for Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5. I am able to import and edit the videos and fade them and whatever I need. When I export it out as an AVI and then re-encode it to MPEG2 for DVD it looked like ass. I didn't know if I am skipping a necessary step or if someone has done something similiar... I am experimenting with a different method of using VirtalDubMod to convert the ripped mpeg files to AVI for editing in Premier. In that method I am using a MainConcept DV codec to process the videos to AVI.
I would love to not do to many steps to get the same results.

Any suggestions or help to stream line the process would be greatly appreciated.

[pijetro]

Well, that's pretty much what i do also..

There is a possible shortcut..
You can purchase the http://www.mainconcept.com/products.shtml and it will allow you to edit Mpeg video on the timeline like you would an .AVI..
Of course, this is $250, and has been out of my grasp for a while.
I haven't tried it, and won't swear by it, but sounds good..

There's your shortcut..

Good luck!!!

[BJ_M]

why dont you frame serve directly out of premiere with the satish frame serve plug in to your encoder - or use the built in encoder ..

[BSR]

Hows the quality of your exported AVI?
Maybe the problem is only in re-encode to MPEG2.
As BJ_M says, the built in encoder would use less steps.

[pijetro]

BJ_M wrote:

why dont you frame serve directly out of premiere with the satish frame serve plug in to your encoder - or use the built in encoder ..

I think that he's trying to get around having to uncompress, edit, and recompress the original .VOB.
Since Premiere is essentially an .AVI editor, the Mainconcept Plugin should allow Premiere to treat the Mpeg material as if it were an .AVI, thus removing the prior steps..

[low-fat-al]

Ok here is an example of the problem. I have a music video (headsprung to exact) and in the video LL Cool J is waving his arms around and stuff. Well on the computer screen it looks fine. I exported it out as an AVI then encoded it, burned it out to DVD. It looks like ass. I configured premiere to use an external monitor for editing and the video looks like the export on the external monitor. When he is waving his arms around it is all shaky like as if a strobe affect. I don't know what that is... I am not sure if maybe I am skipping a step here with importing, ripping or something to solve this issue.

[pijetro]

Again, if you've got the money (or at least try a demo), use the Mainconcept Plugin to edit your DVD's on the timeline..
As far as your final results go, i don't think your skipping anything..
Chances are, your encoding method is incorrect..
If you want anymore help, you'll need to explain how you're doing this..
BTW, you can encode straight off the timeline, rather than doing an .AVI in between...

[low-fat-al]

I AM USING THE MAIN CONCEPT MPEG PLUG-IN!!!

If you read what I wrote before you would see what methods I have used.

I rip, I import into premiere pro, I edit, I export (encode), I burn and it looked like crap...

I believe I figured it out but I don't know if there is a something I can do to skip this huge step I have to do now. I have a M2V file that was split off when I ripped the chapter I needed. BTW... I rip the video as a RAW and audio as DEMUX. That is only way they can be synced up in premiere. Now I take the video (M2V) and import into VirtualDubMod. I use the deinterlace filter when I export the video as an AVI with Main Concept DV codec. I can now import the video as a DV AVI file into premiere and export it out with no problems. YAY! The only thing I wish I didn't have to take those extra steps now. Does anyone know how to deinterlace an M2V file as I am in premiere or even while I am exporting it out?

[BJ_M]

ahhh - big big mistake there

first - how was the video shot ?

film or video ?

do NOT use de-interlace filter in virtualdubmod ... what are you trying to accomplish by de-interlacing it ?

if it is film based material (look to see if it has a 2:3 pulldown cadence) , use the setting in virtualdubmod "remove pulldown" and save it out as huffyuv compressed file (it will be 23.976 frame rate P now).

what you were doing - de-interlacing , then saving it out as DV is adding interlacing back to frames (that lost their interlacing) , and that should maybe not be de-interlaced in the first place .. you will get horrible quality and that strobe like thing ..

[pijetro]

I AM USING THE MAIN CONCEPT MPEG PLUG-IN!!!

Don't yell.
Just to clarify, there's two plugins..The Main Concept encoder (which comes with Premiere), and the MPEG plugin that allows you to work with MPEGS as if they were .AVI's.
Your technique would have pointed me in the wrong direction.

I'll then assume you've got the second one..

I am able to import and edit the videos and fade them and whatever I need. When I export it out as an AVI and then re-encode it to MPEG2 for DVD it looked like ass.

This is where quality loss starts to usually happen..

I didn't know if I am skipping a necessary step or if someone has done something similiar

Yes!!!
Why don't u just encode off the timeline??

[BJ_M]

pijetro is right .. use the (expensive) mainconcept import mpeg2 plug in and edit and encode right off the time line ..

[low-fat-al]

The video are music videos from a music video subscription. I am sure they are not film.

I experimented a little and have been trying to encode off the timeline.. what has worked in this case is the clip menu on premiere. I set the video options on every clip to "always deinterlace"... I exported out of the timeline "Export to DVD" and it looked fine to me. (it just took forever for a 18 minute test video clip) The only question I have is when encoding I should leave the field options to "none" right? I already am deinterlacing in premiere so that should fix ALL my problems and encode and burn as normal. I have the MainConcept MPG Pro Encoder as well and I noticed that it encodes much faster as than using the built in one with Premiere. It is pretty much like as fast as real time or better, were as Premiere was like double that or longer.

[BJ_M]

why are you de-interlacing if the source was not film ?

though some music video 's are shot on 35..

still you are not de-interlacing correctly in such case and don't seem to mind what everyone has been telling you

[low-fat-al]

I am still learning quite a bit here and trying to accomplish what seems a simple task here. I don't know if the video is film or not and what I did really to make it work... I was just experimenting and whatever things I did made it work. I just know without choosing the on the clip menu and deinterlace it looked like that stobe effect. I also did use the VirtualDubMod and use the deinterlace filter exported to AVI with MainConcept DV codec then imported into premiere and it worked then too. I don't know.... I just want to finish this project so I can do more without any more issues.

[skmami]

Hello Guys,

I am doing the similar thing that low-fat-al is doing. I have the similar setup as low-fat-al.

I have the .m2v and .ac3 file extracted out of the DVD using the DVD Decrypter with video as raw and audio as the demux.

Now I brought the .m2v file into the premiere and when I try to play it is not clean. I am not sure what it is called but it is a jumping video. Might be strobe effect.

When I opened the DVD in FlaskMPEG and I saw the following statistics on the selected VOB file from the DVD.

Video Stats:
Video Size: 720X480 Pixels
Fps: NTSC 29.97fps
Detected Fps: FILM 23.976 fps
Bitrate: 6000000 bps
Video Structure : Progressive
Total File Size : 4223 MBytes.


Please can somebody tell me what should I do the clip I bring it into the premiere pro so I can use this video as a picture in picture with my other DV AVI files I brought in from my camcorder.

I am confused about the Fps and the Detected Fps.

When I bring the .m2v files into the Premiere Pro it says it is a 29.97 fps file.

low-fat-al please can you share your experience on how you got around the problem. I sent a PM to you but no reply.

[BJ_M]

skmami: use pulldown.exe and select remove pulldown on your m2v file ..

load new m2v file into premiere and it will show it as 23.976 progressive .

your source IS film .


low-fat-al : the explanation was given on when / what and how to (or not to) de-interlacing -- i think you may be confusing pc viewing (progressive) vs. ntsc video based sources ..

[skmami]

Can I use this new .m2v file that has 23.97 fps and progressive with my NTSC project. Because rest of my video cips are from my Sony NTSC camera. When I create the premiere project I am creating the NTSC project. Is that okay ?

[BJ_M]

ahh you are mixing film and video ...

always a interesting issue ...

you could

a) convert the ntsc video to progressive 23.976 to match the film and edit. downside is that the ntsc video will lose quality, but if this is done very very well - can play very smoothly and look good... a "looks like film approach". key is proper de-interlacing of the ntsc video and conversion to progressive film frame rate .. just removing frames will make it jerky , a interpolated file should really be made to do this properly.
More common for final dvd delivery or print to film.

b) leave the film pulldown applied and edit with the ntsc as is ... most common method (because its the easiest). The ntsc video retains its quality and the film stays the same 2:3 cadance... downside is that the transitions between the film and video will be more noticeable and can play jerky. Also depending where the edits are - the fields can get screwed up in sections (i see this a lot). Proper editing and with a good edit program that can recognize the different sources, this method can deliver the clean results and is fine for most broadcast use (i.e. sent to tape) ..

c) create a true interlaced version of the film 24->30fps via interpolation ... You can have very good results with this method - but with any interpolation (creating new "in-between" frames, it will not be perfect .
The best software/hardware to do this costs 1000$'s + and much much more..
Though Vegas has a very good method using supersampling to get around this.
Procoder2 also does a fair job ...


I use all these methods - depending what is the desired end product and how much time (and/money) is available ..

[skmami]

Thanks for all your inputs.

Sound like it is very compilcated to do what I am trying to do.

If the video is 29.97 fps and it is progressive is that okay ?
Can I work with my NTSC DV AVI which is at 29.97. i

[BJ_M]

the only 29.97 progressive video is video from 30fps cgi or transfered from 48 or 60 or 30 fps film (such as what we use a lot of) ... the average user would not see to much of that ....

29.97 progressive (though you can make a dvd that way) , plays kind of jittery as you are repeating the same field (frame) twice .. though in many cases i am forced to use it becuase of the need to get smothing done - instead of firing it through shake or fusion to create true interlaced from progressive 30 ...


as for your question -- yes you can do it .. render it out and see how it looks .. my only point is how did you end up with 30fps P ... ?