Sorrz for asking again (TMPEnc makes worse quality in SVCD)

[Latexcat]

Hy there,

I now managed to convert a DVD (Cats and Dogs) to VCD with (I think so) acceptable quality. Now I'm trying to convert the DVD to SVCD instead of VCD. I tried about 40 times and with different combinations(VBR, CQ, CBR ,...). Everytime there will be many more fragments and the movie is a bit jumpy in moving scenes. It's very hard to look at.

What can I change? Some ideas?

Greetings

CAT

[pinoy2201]

Why dont u use CCE 2.50 u can download it here http://www.apachez.net ...CCE(Cinema Craft Encoder) makes the best SVCD in my Opinion

[ticos2000]

I totally agree with you, and dont feel sorry for asking..this a place for that.

Let me tell you my story.

a year checking the forum and trying to do a good SVCD...No way my friend at least you get a fancy equipment to encode with great parameters. I also hate the jumpy scenes the blockiness ....it is really annoying. I tried the whole thing spent hours encoding, 2 pass..bla...lbla..bla...but to tell you the truth it is not closer at all to the smoothness of a vcd...

The good thing for a SVCD is for doing slides or photo shows with music, since you dont have any movement the quality is outstanding for this photo shows, I have done this for six months and I do have to say that is the only good result i have got using SVCD formats.

The point is that i am happy with my VCDs, anybody can read them (it is standard) great sound and if your source is a dvd or a good video, the quality is good enough for me. Most of the movies fit on 2 cds and you can borrow them to your friends since most of Philips, pioner or toshiba dvd players can read them..

So i suggest you go for the VCD and thats it!!!

Best regards

Tico

[Latexcat]

Thanx
Now I know what good quality in SVCD means ) You are right - CCE encodes really great. I used it together with DVD2SVCD and the results are pretty nice.

Thanx

Cat

[vincym]

Latexcat,

In TmpgEnc, did you use the "deinterlace" function. I had the some experience with your case before. But I solve it after using deinterlace.

The quality in fast motion is not too good, but at least it is same or better than VCD.

Pls try and tell me the result.

By the way, what is the price of CCE encoder?

Best Wishes,
Vincent

[Latexcat]

Hy ..

I tried the deinterlace function - the smoothing and the others as well (lot of computing time wasted ) None worked really good for me.

The CCE encoder is available as a trial version - currently I'm using this. But you are right - the final version is very expensive. I'm still trying to get the same quality in TMPEnc. But no luck yet.

Greetings

Cat

[poopyhead]

couple of probs for the jumpiness...if the source dvd was in NTSC..that's the same prob...but for most DVDs the source is FILM (progressive)...so if u have jumpiness try this:

1) motion search accuracy to high (slow)

2) even field first (field order A)...and i'm guessing newer tmpgenc versions it's bottom field first

3) higher bitrate...don't try to fit the same amount on SVCD as u would VCD....2+ hrs = 3 SVCD discs...unless u wanna sacrifice quality

[Latexcat]

Hy

For now, I'm testing with a 15 minute trailer - so no size problem yet For now I'm trying to achieve good quality. The size problem comes later

I tried the motion search in all possible settings - didn't help very much. I didn't try the even field first - but I'll try the next night. Thanx for the hint.

Greetings

Cat

[Mirko]

Hi,
why don't you use the "Template" for SVCD which is included in TMPGEnc? I do so, and my (S)VCD's looks very nice.
One further idea: in menu "Setting" (right below in main program, under "Stream Type&quot set under "Video" the option "Motion Search Accuracy" on "Highest Quality(slowest)". I think it brings the difference.
Another problem is the quality of the source material. DVD-rips brings the best, I guess.
Greetings, Mirko.

[Latexcat]

Hy there,

I did use the template,
I did set it to highest quality
and I have a dvd rip.

The result was very blocky and very jumpy
VCD results were fine

Greetings

Roger

[poopyhead]

motion search accuracy should be set to high (slow)....there's not much difference in quality between that and highest (slowest) except for like an extra 6-7 hrs of encoding

[radical]

I have the same problem. I have a lot of hires divx (640*272 or higher), these are too good for a VCD so i tried to convert it to svcd-xsvcd. But TMPGEnc sux, the result is a blocky jumpy much bigger file than the original. How do u make it guys? Please give us some advice!

[poopyhead]

tmpgenc is a great encoder....don't just bash it cause your results are bad..your settings are prolly incorrect

[radical]

Poopyhead if you have a working template for divx-xsvcd conversion then please send it to me.(radical@fbi.hu) I will check it. I have set everything to the max quality but no effect. I'm so tired and confused i will write these films as divx and dont bother myself with this conversion crap.

[Shabubu]

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I'd edit this out and send it by PM

[shochan]

This is easy well half of it is. Your encoding a film source to NTSC without any dropdown.DId you select forced film in dvd2avi when you made the D@V file? your best bet (if you did forced film) is to change it from interlace to "3:2 drop down when playback" that should solve your problem with the jumpy. About the blocky I have no clue I am making svcd with tmpge and they are coming out damn near DVD. Alot of people complain about svcds and I don't understand what could be causing their blocks I rarely get any unless it is a super flashy or quick sceen. I have yet to try ce 2.5 but alot of people say it is very good. well actualy i have tried it and it quit after one pass and gave some stupid error.

[kmiura182]

I agree with poopyhead. Tmpgenc is a great encoder, it just took a while (at least for me) to get the settings right. I've converted a few DVDs to SVCDs and the results have been great. Here's what I did:

1. Rip DVD (duh...)
2. Frameserve with DVD2AVI. (Force FILM!!)
3. Use TMPGEnc. Open the SVCD Film Template, then unlock it.
4. Under the VIDEO tab, set rate control mode to Constant Quality, then click on setting and set quality to 100, and max/min bitrate at 2520.
5. Make sure "3:2 pulldown when playback" is selected
6. Set DC component precision to 10 bits
7. Set Motion Search Precision to "High Quality (slow)"
8. Under the ADVANCED tab, make sure the video source is set to Non-Interlace (Progresive)and you have selected the correct source aspect ratio.
9. Encode.

I think that's all I did. I result was a 90 min movie on 3 SVCDs. I don't see any blockiness and the motion is smooth. It's just like the DVD execpt the color isn't as rich, but still better than VHS.

Hope this helps.

[dphirschler]

I agree with shocan...

I use "Force Film" in DVD2AVI. Then in TMPGenc, I select "Inverse Telecine" ('30 fps source', since DV2 files are locked at 30 fps). The end result shows 24 fps with full frames, no interlacing. I used that setting to encode Shrek from a DVD and it turned out damn perfect! I haven't tried the "3:2 drop down when playback".

Darryl

[ya_jai]

yes of course, enable Force Film and encode at 23.976 fps with 3:2 pulldown will give a better result for SVCD. but I think some posts in here are talking about DVD with NTSC source(interlace) which is not really good if encoded at 23.976 fps with 3:2 pulldown. Especiall the ones who rip all special features such as Trailer, Deleted scenes, music videos. These are DVD with NTSC source not Film or Progressive Scan and should not be encoded at 23.976 fps.

So the way I've done is to encode at 29.97 fps and apply de-interlace(blend) with all dvd ripped with NTSC source.

[shardison]

Cat--- whatever you end up doing, make sure that you're not pushing the bitrate capability of your DVD player. That alone can make a DVD player studder. Try CBR at 2300kbs, 192kbs sound. Many players (like Philips) can't handle any more than that. If 2300kbs works, bump it up until your video gets jumpy again. You can lower the audio bitrate too to make room for more video bits. Just stay under the total bitrate that your player seems to handle.

Then you can try all the frame rate tricks to see if the picture improves. It probably won't.. SVCD bitrates will always make the video blocky during complex (like a water fall) scenes... no magic TMPGEnc setting will stop that. If you want SVCD to always look good, watch it on a small screen TV.

[kmiura182]

ya_jai has a good point. Make sure you know the frame rate of the source. In DVD2AVI, it'll tell you if you're dealing with a NTSC source or a FILM source. Once you figure that out, you should do what what's appropreate for the particular type of source.

[vhelp]

Latexcat, Radical, or others. . .

I'm curious about these divX avi's.
can someone please provide a link
to where I might be able to download a
just a small sample or too?
Like, mabye 50mb or 70mb size. Just want
to try and encode and see if I have the
same problem as the origonal poster of the
thred?
or, Latexcat, can you provide the link
where you got that same divX file so I can
possibly download it. I'd like to give
it a try, if Virtual dub will load it.
I wanna see the one you have and do the work
on it. And, i'll post it in at my web site
(see below) and you can see if it looks the
same as yours or worse problems than yours.
if any VD filters need to be installed,
please point me in the right direction, and
i'll install them. I really wana help if
I can. I wanna see what all this BLOCKYness
is all about - cause I don't really have any
serious blocks in my encodes.

I'll be glad to share what my settings were
if all comes out without any problems.

And, if you happen to download a few of my sample
clips, please tell me if they came out ok or worse.

Radical, ...Anyone??


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[poopyhead]

heh...if there were some legit uses for divx, then maybe they'll have standalone divx players