Doom 3 on windows 98 / 95

[offline]

Someone - forget who & in what thread - wanted to play this game
on win 98.

Here is a link I found.


http://files.cyberfight.ru/archive/doom3/patches/doom3anyos.rar

The patch is supposed to remove the windows version checking
element that stops it from being loaded. Don't know more as I have
not got the game myself.

[Guest]

did you already open it? I'm a little nervous about opening zip files from russian sites.

[Capmaster]

I've already tried Doom3 and uninstalled it :P

It's the most bloated, resource-intensive game I've ever seen. And there's no way to enable it to use a Gravis Gamepad Pro or any other joystick. You're stuck using a mouse and keyboard - not my cup of tea.

I tried all the proven console commands like in_joystick 1 and use_joystick 1. No luck. Even did a thorough web search and a search of all the text and HTML files that came with it. I spent a good chunk of time yesterday saearching gamers forums and no luck. Most of the posts there deal with tweaks to speed up the graphics, but nothing on game pads.

Even if I had found the joystick fix, I'd still have removed it. The performance of the game was like a slideshow - awfully hard to fight when it can't redraw. And this was on my new PC - a 2.8GHZ P4 w/HT and 1MB L2, 512 MB RAM

Screw it - I'll maybe try Half Life 2, but Doom3 is so bloated and slow, it'd make Microsoft green with envy. I was extremely disappointed after waiting 10 years for the next Doom installment

[Shocker Milwaukee]

I always use the big-ass trackball anyway.

[Guest]

Quake 3 is pretty good

[Capmaster]

Quake 3 is pretty good

Yeah, the Quakes have always been excellent. My favorite weapon is the grenade launcher

[Guest]

I love playing as the klown. that guy looks awesome

[Capmaster]

I love playing as the klown. that guy looks awesome

I must have missed him. That's in player setup right?

[Guest]

Yes. U can check yourself in a mirror

[Capmaster]

Yes. U can check yourself in a mirror

I'll try that today. A clown would be ideal for me - get 'em laughing, then ...BAM! Thanks for the tip

[Doramius]

I haven't played quake in so long. Problem is, I wanted to get it recently and couldn't find it. Anyone got a version and key I can have. I'm willing to cover postage + $5-10 for your trouble as long as it works. Lately I've been playing Return to Wolfenstein. That's pretty fun on multiplayer. Got a lot of the new maps. I usually ditch the crappy ones.

[pyscrow]

The performance of the game was like a slideshow - awfully hard to fight when it can't redraw. And this was on my new PC - a 2.8GHZ P4 w/HT and 1MB L2, 512 MB RAM

Screw it - I'll maybe try Half Life 2, but Doom3 is so bloated and slow, it'd make Microsoft green with envy. I was extremely disappointed after waiting 10 years for the next Doom installment

I think you have a problem with / on your box, Doom 3 is certainly playable on my sons Celeron 2.6 with 256 meg memory, and radeon 9200 - 128meg. Do you have on board video ?

On the kids box it is no where near as good as on my P4 3.0 with 1 gig of memory (same video), but certainly ok. I find the game to dark for my liking, and I have also gone off the old "find your way through the level" style, prefering the "frag everything until you've killed enough" style as in quake 3.

[offline]

did you already open it? I'm a little nervous about opening zip files from russian sites.

No way

[Faustus]

The performance of the game was like a slideshow - ....

I think you have a problem with / on your box, Doom 3 is certainly playable on my sons Celeron 2.6 with 256 meg memory, and radeon 9200 - 128meg. Do you have on board video ?

On the kids box it is no where near as good as on my P4 3.0 with 1 gig of memory (same video), but certainly ok. I find the game to dark for my liking, and I have also gone off the old "find your way through the level" style, prefering the "frag everything until you've killed enough" style as in quake 3.

My thoughts exactly. It has to be either a system or video card problem. My machine is pretty decent, its a XP 3000+ 512ram and a GF4 4800se. I was afraid it would run bad for me because of the video card, but in fact its very playable.

[offline]

Capmasters problem is his inbuilt Intel Extreme Graphics Chipset.
It is not because it is bad chipset, or a problem just for being inbuilt, it is just that the DOOM 3 engine does not support it. There is also a slight
performance hit with shared memory.

I have the same problem with a ATI 9200 256 and Far Cry.
My p4 2.4 plays every other demo except Far Cry where it
draws the screen at 1 frame per 3 seconds or worse.


Doom III Video requirements:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cache:_oJiYRAxdb8J:www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/200...deo+card&hl=en

[Faustus]

I've used a built in GF4 graphics set with shared ram, unless you use really low latency stuff then the hit is actually bigger then most people think.

Also supported or not, Intel Extreme grapahics are not that good. So I guess it comes as no surprise that it will not run the game.

My suggestion? Video card upgrades for everyone! even me! I think Baldricks paying!

[Capmaster]

Capmasters problem is his inbuilt Intel Extreme Graphics Chipset.
It is not because it is bad chipset, or a problem just for being inbuilt, it is just that the DOOM 3 engine does not support it. There is also a slight
performance hit with shared memory.

I have the same problem with a ATI 9200 256 and Far Cry.
My p4 2.4 plays every other demo except Far Cry where it
draws the screen at 1 frame per 3 seconds or worse.


Doom III Video requirements:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cache:_oJiYRAxdb8J:www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/200...deo+card&hl=en

I suspected as much :P

We also have it installed on a 2.4 P4, 256MB RAM, Radeon 9200 (128MB) we just installed for the game. It had an even worse onboard S3 graphics so we felt a new card was appropriate. It's also pathetic, with the framerate being a measured 7.7 FPS Although in that case, it may be the RAM since Doom3 says 384MB minimum.

The other machine is a 2,53 Celeron with the same Intel MB graphics as mine and 256MB. I don't think we'll even try putting it on that machine

[offline]

My suggestion? Video card upgrades for everyone! even me! I think Baldricks paying

!

Haha. A stupendous suggestion! I'll take a 9800 pro with 256 DDR and
vivo please, hold the onions.

Supersize?!

...Oh well thanks Baldrick I'll
take the X800 with 556 DDR and VIVO and extra onions

... hit is actually bigger......Intel Extreme graphics are not that good

A am aware of the above but I did not want to be rude and put down a
persons system. Anyway, hard core gamers do not like to play
anything at less than 1024x768 and it seems a 9800 or 5600 nased 500 meg video card
is required for that in Doom III which means no one can play the
game at optimum settings.

[Faustus]

Hopefully its not taken a a put down. Really if a friend drives a Mazda 626 its not gonna win any street races, but that doesn't mean it not 100% on everything else. Built in video has it uses, meaning it works and its cheap, but its no race car.

Frankly I'd settle for a 9800 Pro Mac Edition right now...heh

[offline]

Hopefully its not taken a a put down.

I'm not saying what you said could be taken as such.

I'd settle for a 9800 Pro Mac Edition right now...heh

Hmm.. nice. I am beginning to look at the LEADTEK WinFast A350 5900 Ultra. I'm not rich but I could buy it. It's just the thought of spending
$1000 bucks (Australian) on a mere video card troubles me

[Capmaster]

That's exactly what bothers me about the new Doom. You almost have to have a new video card to even play it, unless you already have a fire-breathing card in there. That's not a good marketing strategy - all games ought to play on whatever you have, and worry about the future when it happens. It seems that ID software designed a game strictly for the future, perhaps so they wouldn't need to release another version for a long time. Look how long it's been since Doom2 came out

[pyrate83]

Just get the game for the xbox, it's supposed to be just as good but without any slowdown and shit. October is the release for the xbox.

[Faustus]

That's exactly what bothers me about the new Doom. You almost have to have a new video card to even play it, unless you already have a fire-breathing card in there. That's not a good marketing strategy - all games ought to play on whatever you have, and worry about the future when it happens. It seems that ID software designed a game strictly for the future, perhaps so they wouldn't need to release another version for a long time. Look how long it's been since Doom2 came out

A GF4 4800 Se is hardly a firebreathing card, its not low end either. Its about the same as a 9600Pro from ATI. I guess what I'm saying it you at least need a lowend card from this generation, or a decent card from the previous generation. Not bad for an ID game with the kind of graphics this thing has.

If thats a problem then as was said above, wait for the Xbox version.

[offline]

Yeah you can get by on a GF4 but for medium settings you
need a higher end card. I've only just got my copy of D3
so I'll see how it runs on my average system.

[offline]

Got it. Plays smooth on my system with an ATI 9200 256 DDR
with full medium settings. No idea what the game reviewers
are on about needing a super dooper video card.

Only thing though.. game play is too intensive. This is not
praise btw. You walk through almost dark and pitch black corridors
and rooms with only an inhuman grunt to warn you to switch
from flashlight to weapon, sometimes not even that. Worse,
some of the zombie marines can shoot and come at you
from nowhere. Too much survival and not enough gameplay.

[Faustus]

Got it. Plays smooth on my system with an ATI 9200 256 DDR
with full medium settings. No idea what the game reviewers
are on about needing a super dooper video card.

Only thing though.. game play is too intensive. This is not
praise btw. You walk through almost dark and pitch black corridors
and rooms with only an inhuman grunt to warn you to switch
from flashlight to weapon, sometimes not even that. Worse,
some of the zombie marines can shoot and come at you
from nowhere. Too much survival and not enough gameplay.

First off, you need to find a good mix on your gamma settings. Other then that they pretty much admited this would be a survival type game over a 5000 guys attacking at once type game early in.

Personally I love it. Wish I had more time to play...

[Doramius]

I've been sticking with my ATI AIW cards, though for a while they were getting pretty crappy and I almost went to Gforce or NVidia a few years back. Now they are doing really well and I highly reccomend them. I have to have VIVO and a tuner on at least one of my systems. I'm not at liberty to say the main reason why, but it also records all the Simpson's episodes so I can Put them on DVD until the official DVD season release is available. Then I just give my burned copy to a friend or family member.

Sometimes my friends mock me for having a couple of REALLY good and powerful systems and doing very little with it. One of my systems has a P4 3Gig processor that I have liquid cooled. all my friends have been telling me to overclock it, but WHY? It works fine for me now. Even the RAM is liquid cooled and they're not overclocked either. I just never felt like OC'ing anything. I OC'd a syst em before and then sold it. Worked fine, but just didn't want an OC'd system.

[pyscrow]

Is direct X 9b even available for win98? if not then its not gunna run.