Plays all right on DVD Player but not on Computer

[tiffanyban]

Okay hope some one can help me as I am so confused her copying my dvd’s

1st I am useing an Apple Mac with the new Pioneer 8 speed burner

Ist I back up my dvd with DVD Backup .................all works seems to well

2nd I then use DVD2oneX to put it into a size that will fit on the disk .................all works seems to well

I then make a folder and give it the name of the dvd, and copy the audio and video files into it

I open Toast 6 and set up in the DVD Rom record, and copy the above folder across delete the unwanted .ds store file that has been created

I then burn


Okay all seem to go okay

When I put this into my dvd player it works okay, but when i try to put it back in to the Mac dvd drive it says System X can not read the disk

It does not appear as a DVD on the desktop

When I go back to Toast in my Toshiba in buillt Apple Drive, and look at the Disk:
Disk info give the following report

1 data (Hybrid) 0 ..... 4.1 gig
ISO- 9660


When I go back to Toast in my external Pioneer Drive, and look at the Disk:
Disk info give the following report

Session 1
1 RSVD (Hybrid) 0 ....... 4.1 gig
ISO- 9660

Session 2 Open 2113744 40.18.10

Putting the original disk into the Pioneer gets me

1 data (Hybrid) 0 ..... 4.1 gig
ISO- 9660

As I said The dvd players perfect;y on my 3 dvd players but will no longer load on my computer


Can any on answer this problem

Tiffany

[tiffanyban]

Just read the new instruction and will try
I think the problem is in the disk name

No spaces and capital letters

[Frobozz]

Tiffany, did you by chance record on DVD+R media? If so, it is the media that your Mac can't accept, not what's burned on it.

[WiseWeasel]

Yeah, I think Frobozz has brought up the problem issue. You can only use DVD+R media on your Mac if you have MacOS X 10.3.3 installed. Make sure you update to the latest version of MacOS X, or just stick with DVD-R media.

[tiffanyban]

Okay so the question now becomes more and more interesting

Tried again with a DVD+RW used Capita; Letters and no spaces in the name
Burnt perfect and plays back on the dvd
Okay so I have convinced my self that it was the Capital letters that made it work
But maybe not correct your new comment did not incluude DVD+RW so maybe it works okay on this media. but again still not on DVD+R

Yes you are right I am using Mac OS 10.2.4

I have Pantha but have not upgraded this machine so you maybe on the ball

To make matters more interesting it appears okay on 9.2 OS

Mmmmmh I have be tolds and read that DVD +R is better than DVD-R
with out going into great depth of reasons can others who burn dvds for playback on DVD TV equiptment tell me their preferences, now that the price of both media are the same and as most player will these days record both + & -

[dcsos]

I have be tolds and read that DVD +R is better than DVD-R

This is WRONG
as far as making a DVD VIDEO DISC they are the same

As far as the MAC is concerned: 10.3 is the first MAC OS to use the "+" plus format

So Please make it easy..and USE -R or -RW for the first test..
Please make a MINUS disc and repost.. I'm SURE YOU'LL have success with the medium that MAC started with (the MINUS)

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING: the TOAST program did not recognize your
VIDEO_TS and a DVD and BURNED THE DVD+R or +RW
in the wrong format to be recognized as a DVD-VIDEO by COMPUTER..
This is to say, INSTEAD of UDF the correct format for DVD VIDEO..toast
failed and burned a ISO 9660 volume instead (like on a cd)

USE a MINUS BLANK to FORCE TOAST to correctly burn UDF

The set top player obviously didn't care that it wasn't burned right

[galactica]

its as simple as this.... non 10.3.3 systems with non -/+ drives HAVE TO USE -R media. No questions asked.

Systems with 10.3.3 and dual drives -/+ can use whatever they want. So in that case..... -R or +R work. Totally personal preference. I have heard this + is better than - / - is better than +. Maybe one is, maybe one isnt.... it really doesnt matter in this case.

[Spinduck]

This isn't necessarily true. I've been using +RW and +R media for well over a year now, in 10.2.6 through 10.3.3, and all have worked fine, as long as they are burned properly. No problems in the set-top and none at all whatsoever in Mac OS X DVD Player (except for the issue of 10.3.3 suprisingly dropping support for my external drive, which I've fixed). I *have* found that +RW media is much more reliable than +R, so far as compatibility in various players. Even the cheap bulk +RWs work much better for me than +R or -R. If I've ever had a problem it's usually solved by dropping the burn speed down to 1x. Maybe you could try this?

[tiffanyban]

its as simple as this.... non 10.3.3 systems with non -/+ drives HAVE TO USE -R media. No questions asked.

Systems with 10.3.3 and dual drives -/+ can use whatever they want. So in that case..... -R or +R work. Totally personal preference. I have heard this + is better than - / - is better than +. Maybe one is, maybe one isnt.... it really doesnt matter in this case.

Okay I burnt anothe DVD using no spaces and capitals but as you stated system 110.2 still does not recognise it
As I said it works perfectly on the TV and dvd player
Full 5.1 sound
Menu's
Wide screen Video
so is a DVD VCD exactly the same as a genuine DVD


apart from not being able to be played on my computer is seems to have all the same things the origional has

I'm going to try upgrading one of my computers to Panter to test this out
If DVD - is just as good as + then I am better off sticking to - Disks in the future with no defeating effects

[galactica]

correct
but what in the heck were you talking about when you said

so is a DVD VCD exactly the same as a genuine DVD

that just makes no since to me........ dvd is not vcd at all
vcd is mpeg1 with horribly low bitrates
dvd is mpeg2 with much higher bitrates
they are authored completly different

so much so it makes the two entirely differnet creatures!

[deadsierra]

correct
but what in the heck were you talking about when you said

so is a DVD VCD exactly the same as a genuine DVD

that just makes no since to me........ dvd is not vcd at all
vcd is mpeg1 with horribly low bitrates
dvd is mpeg2 with much higher bitrates
they are authored completly different

so much so it makes the two entirely differnet creatures!

She's talking about authoring a DVD but using VCD compliant streams as opposed to DVD compliant ones. No, its not nearly 'exactly the same', it is, as you put it, completely different, but it should still be valid according to the DVD Spec. At least, I think the DVD Specification lists MPEG1@230x240 right?

[galactica]

ohhhhh well in that case..... yea
mpeg1 properly authored as dvd will work that way as vcd to dvd.

[deadsierra]

ohhhhh well in that case..... yea
mpeg1 properly authored as dvd will work that way as vcd to dvd.

It still looks like crap though.

[tiffanyban]

Mt question was besed on the posting by .......dcsosHe he said I have burnt a dvd-Video see following .......

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING: the TOAST program did not recognize your
VIDEO_TS and a DVD and BURNED THE DVD+R or +RW
in the wrong format to be recognized as a DVD-VIDEO by COMPUTER..
This is to say, INSTEAD of UDF the correct format for DVD VIDEO..toast
failed and burned a ISO 9660 volume instead (like on a cd)


Okay to continue

This morning I installed systen 10.3 om my 1 gig G4 Emac
Rebooted and put the dvd in the drib
Okay the computer now recognised is as a dvd, but will not play it
even tried to run the ts-video file through open but no good

Okay now I re-ran DVD back up on the copied disk and is went right trough to the end

Ran DVD Player and opened this new folder and it works perfectly

Okay so it will recognise the dvd opens up and has the audio and video files

But will not run

Copy it to the hard drive with dvd back up


Now works perfectly

My new Moto HAVE FUN WILL TRAVEL

have not tried to bun a dvd unter ssy 10.3 but maybe this will solve all the problems but does any one have an explamation for all this

[tiffanyban]

So the fact that the dvds i burnt had the two files on board and when copied off the bad dvd onto the hard drive and then work, does that mean it did burn them as a dvd and not a vcd

Maybe something to do with the directory blocks that confuses the Apple but not the dvd players

as i said video and sound is perfect just will not play on the apple under system 10.2.3 but is recognised under 9.2

Just realised I have installed 10.3 not 10.3.3 that all you guys are talking about

Do I need to upgrade again to 10.3 to solve all these problems?

[dcsos]

When you 'get info' from the MAC on the DISC on the desktop that won't play in APPLE DVD
IS IT UDF or ISO 9660?
this may still be a problem

[tiffanyban]

I gave this information in an early Post

in System 9.2 it appears as a DVD icon
In System 10.2 is appears as ISO

and in Systen 10.3 it appears as a dvd but will not play off the disk

Yet if copied back to the hard drive using DVD backup it works perfecty from the Hard Drive

[deadsierra]

Did you ask it to burn a UDF disc? Cause Toast doesn't change its mind. Its not thinking to its self "Awww, another UDF disc? What the frell (you see, toast would be a Farscape fanatic) is up with this? Screw that, their getting an ISO 9660 disc, those are much cooler."

So, to sum it up, if you picked UDF and Toast burnt an ISO disc, something is going seriously wrong.

Also, dcsos asked a very good question that has nothing to do with icons. If you click the disc once, and then type Command-I you should get a little bit of information about your disc. If you could copy that information for us, that might be helpful.

[galactica]

yes, please do that
for example:

also, take a screenshot of your toast as if you were attempting to burn this dvd. you can either post it in your message as a picture, or send it to my email if you dont know how to post picture in the message

[WiseWeasel]

MacOS X 10.3.0 is not very stable. You should be using 10.3.2 or 10.3.3. 10.3.3 should let you play DVDs from DVD+R media.

[tiffanyban]

I would be of the opinion that you questions have already been answeed many times in my earlier posting but just in cas there is some confusion I will retest three disks

1) The origional
2) A disk written in - R
3) and a + R Disk

First lets try System 9.2
All Disk show up undep open Apple I as
Universal Disk Fornat

Okay now System 10.2.3

Both the Origional and the - R disk come up as Universal System Format

The + Disk says
This disk contains no volumes that Mac OS X can reead



As it will not load itt i impossible to do an Open Apple I


Now try the same on a machine with OS X 10.3

All three show up as a DVD Ico
All three show UNIVERSAL Disk Format
But the +R disk will not play on the computer

and says Could Not detect a valid media file


I repeat Toast says they are ISO Files

But all three dvd TV units play them with no problems
5.1 sound and 2.35:1 wide screen

Is this a problem that has no answer but the fact that + R Dvds still have some problems

[galactica]

Now try the same on a machine with OS X 10.3

All three show up as a DVD Ico
All three show UNIVERSAL Disk Format
But the +R disk will not play on the computer

I know its been a little confusing, partly because of your explanations [ex DVD icon means NOTHING! as to if its properly seen by the OS. You can have theme mods which change this entirely, note my posted icon says nothing about it being dvd!]

Ill try to clarify this...
1. all three show up as dvd icon. ok but again, that doesnt really mean much
2. all three who up as UDF - good!
3. but +r will not play on comptuer. Ok, update the 10.3 mac to 10.3.3 and it should

4. -r, does that one play on the mac? I know you probably said but please try to clarify again.


As per Toast showing ISO - im not sure what you mean by this
ISO9660 is a completely different format than UDF. If the disks show ISO9660 format under finders GET INFO then there is a problem, unless you accidently clicked ISO9660 instead of UDF in the DATA tab of toast.

hence why i would like to see screenshots of your attempts to burn a dvd. Dont feel bad if you are making one simple mistake, everyone does from time to time. Heck one day i burned a dvd as MAC AND PC not UDF

If your -r disks plays on your computer and your settop player, stick with -R media. If your +r plays when you update to 10.3.3 then you can use either.

[Badge]

I note Galactica's instructions to give a dvd exactly the same title as the mounted disk in order for it to play in a dvd player (as opposed to computer player) allowing for caps/underscores. Where you use the 'join' function in DVD2one to join 2 DVDs, what name should you give the dvd?

Thanks

[pixeljammedia]

You should call him GEORGE, and you should hug him and pet him and love him...

[galactica]

Hey its a legit question

in all reality you can name it whatever you want. Instructions prior are stated to cause the least amount of error for newbies

say your movie is KILL_BILL
you split it among 2 dvd's

1st could be KILL_BILL_A
2nd could be KILL_BILL_B

or KILL_BILL_PART1 and KILL_BILL_PART2

its totally up to you

[Badge]

thanks!

[Manny C]

I can only wonder if this chick speaks as poorly as she writes.

[galactica]

we will never know.... there has been no tiffanyban activity since this post....

[rorschach]

I have a related question/problem. I've just obtained a DVD movie that doesn't appear on the desktop. I get a message that says MacOSX can't read this disk. It's a DVD Data (Hybrid) ISO-9660 format acc. to Toast. How can I get the Mac (OS 10.2.8) to read this disk so that I can extract the files?

[pixeljammedia]

Sounds like it might be DVD+R as opposed to DVD-R. Plus discs aren't supported in 10.2.x, but are in 10.3 so check to see what type of disc it is. If it is a plus disc then your options are to upgrade to Panther, to find someone running 10.3, or try a PC that will do what you want (compatibility in Wintel land varies as well)