How big?

[BodaZoffa]

Can anyone tell me how big the program files are for DVD Maestro, Sonic Scenarist, & Sonic DVD Producer after they have been installed on your computer?

Sounds like a stupid question, but it would help me out a lot.


Thanks.... Boda

No where on the Dell website does it mention
DVD Maestro, Sonic Scenarist, & Sonic DVD Producer being
supplied as standard with their new PC's.

Please supply a link or some other form of proof.

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You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning - THIS TIME.
/ Moderator offline

[Arky]

Weirdest criteria I ever heard for choosing an authoring program. With respect, BodaZoffa, be careful...


Arky.

[BodaZoffa]

I have all three installed on my PC. I just wanted to make sure I had the complete programs installed....

Boda

[jimmalenko]

You just stumbled across them in your start menu ?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

[BodaZoffa]

You just stumbled across them in your start menu ?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

Comes standard with the new Dell's....

[petar]

Which model and store did you get it from? I wouldn't mind getting one. The software you mentioned is worth at least 8,000 euros (assuming you got Scenarist basic package and Maestro for free because it's not sold anymore and maybe Dell got some good deal on it).

[freestyler]

All three of them fit on a floppy.

[freestyler]

The software you mentioned is worth at least 8,000 euros (assuming you got Scenarist basic package and Maestro for free because it's not sold anymore and maybe Dell got some good deal on it).

Maestro is still sold, if you need a dealer I can point you to several.

[petar]

Wish I could afford it...

[indolikaa]

niff: niff: niff:

Warez.

[BodaZoffa]

Which model and store did you get it from? I wouldn't mind getting one. The software you mentioned is worth at least 8,000 euros (assuming you got Scenarist basic package and Maestro for free because it's not sold anymore and maybe Dell got some good deal on it).

The comment was a joke.... sarcasim.... humor. Dell doesn't come with these installed on their PCs.

[indolikaa]

Dude, you're not terribly fast with the Edit button, are you?





Too bad. I'm faster with PhotoEditor. Gotcha!

[BodaZoffa]

Uhmmmm.... not really sure what you are talking about. Made a joke. Someone did'nt get it. I then let them know that I was joking. There was an 8hr difference between the posts. Dude.

I think I might have assassinated JFK in there somewhere according to you, too.....

Boda

[indolikaa]

Uhmmmm.... not really sure what you are talking about. Made a joke. Someone did'nt get it. I then let them know that I was joking. There was an 8hr difference between the posts. Dude.

Yeah.

I think I might have assassinated JFK in there somewhere according to you, too.....

Nope. The CIA assassinated JFK.

[jimmalenko]

No where on the Dell website does it mention
DVD Maestro, Sonic Scenarist, & Sonic DVD Producer being
supplied as standard with their new PC's.

Please supply a link or some other form of proof.

Mod Offline

So BodaZoffa, got those receipts yet ?

[indolikaa]

No where on the Dell website does it mention
DVD Maestro, Sonic Scenarist, & Sonic DVD Producer being
supplied as standard with their new PC's.

Please supply a link or some other form of proof.

Mod Offline

So BodaZoffa, got those receipts yet ?

That was the general direction I was headed with my post...

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=866617#866617

Quite obvious he's lookin for tips to aid his Warez ventures.

Hmm.. checking this out. If he is talking warez and then trying to
cover it up with lies about Dell, he will be banned.

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...given what I read here.


You get the picture now, Boda?

[jimmalenko]

I still think this one was gold...

You just stumbled across them in your start menu ?

We must look pretty stupid for someone to mention they got the software with a new PC and when questioned, hide by saying it was a joke. Anyone who legitimately purchased the software and installed them using original CDs would know that the programs have installed correctly. As for Downloading the programs...well, I'll be interested to see Boda's response.

[indolikaa]

I still think this one was gold...

You just stumbled across them in your start menu ?

It was. It still is, too.

[Arky]

Wish I could afford it...

Perhaps you can

If you can acquire a G4 MAC (minimum spec 733mhz), perhaps on eBay, then you would be able to purchase Apple DVD Studio Pro for $499

Guess what? They're essentially the same program!

Some time ago, Sonic Solutions launched a lawsuit against Spruce Technologies (the merits of which are the topic of some debate, but we shall not get into that), and Apple picked up the pieces.

The result is that DVDMaestro was ported to MAC and developed a little into what you see now as DVD Studio Pro. I have experience with DVDMaestro, and now use DVD SP 2. It does have a few bugs here and there, but DVD SP 2 is still a great program and unbelievably good value (Apple are barely covering their Dolby licensing fees for the included .AC3 encoder, so the program is a total bargain).

Even allowing for the cost of the MAC hardware, this is still by far the best way to get high-end authoring on the cheap, and I say this in full knowledge of Adobe Encore (good program but not as advanced as DVD SP 2, despite the apparent similarities).


Arky ;o)

[disturbed1]

Arky,

Have some of the bugs been worked out yet with the newest update? Reports pointed that 1.5 wasn't all that great.

Last I read you needed Trai Forrester's app to make a working title, which isn't cheap. Or is that just comercialism? I'm not too worried about the CSS and DVD9 flaws, as they aren't currently needed.

I've got a chance to get a G4 running OSX cheap, and might jump on it.

[freestyler]

Negative, you only need it if you're making a dvd-9 on ver 1.5.

Ver 2 appears to have issues when the layer break is set to seamless, locking up players. With it set to non seamless, it pauses longer than usual. Some folks haven't had such issues, I'm not sure if they've fixed things with the latest round of patches.

SP2 appears to make fine dvd-5s, though.

[freestyler]

Sonic is a monster, they seem to own every product that has anything to do with dvd nowadays.

[disturbed1]

Sonic is a monster, they seem to own every product that has anything to do with dvd nowadays.

Yep. For anything professional you have Sonic.........., and not much else.
I used to rent time at the local production facility. I'd take my Reel DVD projects to import into Scenarist. 'Course not knowing squat about Scenarist and the guys that work there are just dicks, I ditched both Reel DVD and all of Sonic altogether.

Maestro is getting old. It works just fine, and does much more than I need. But being able to have the support is the main thing. I hate only being able to use my A03 with Maestro. Sure there's other ways, but the integration is nice. Since I bought used, my options are pretty limited to the huge binder of a manual, and the novel of a PDF.

And (the real reason) I just need something new

Maybe I should buy a Dell

[Arky]

Sonic is a monster, they seem to own every product that has anything to do with dvd nowadays.

Yep. For anything professional you have Sonic.........., and not much else.
I used to rent time at the local production facility. I'd take my Reel DVD projects to import into Scenarist. 'Course not knowing squat about Scenarist and the guys that work there are just dicks, I ditched both Reel DVD and all of Sonic altogether.

Maestro is getting old. It works just fine, and does much more than I need. But being able to have the support is the main thing. I hate only being able to use my A03 with Maestro. Sure there's other ways, but the integration is nice. Since I bought used, my options are pretty limited to the huge binder of a manual, and the novel of a PDF.

And (the real reason) I just need something new

Maybe I should buy a Dell

Sonic claim to have great support, but it is interesting to hear professional Scenarist user's opinions on the matter. Sometimes an absence of direct competition is potentially an unfortunate thing for end users, regardless of the magnitude of license fee paid.

Regarding their market domination, the market is in a truly massive state of flux right now, and while I don't think they will be toppled by anyone for a long time to come, the tightness of their stranglehold is undoubtedly slipping. I think this will be a positive thing for everyone, even Sonic themselves, because they will have to move or get left behind. Hopefully, the end user will benefit as a consequence.

ReelDVD isn't the worst program on the planet, but I must admit its restriction of one VTS is absurd in this day and age. I expect ReelDVD to evolve, or disappear, before long because the likes of DVD Workshop 2 and Encore are serious competition to it on the Windows platform. Sonic need to come up with a sensible answer to these programs. They're not going to undermine their 'Studio' version of Scenarist ( http://www.sonic.com/products/scenarist/specs.asp ), but then they cannot seriously expect their DVDit! engine to outperform Encore and DVD Workshop. It's so ironic that Encore is based upon a Sonic SDK, and engineered by an ex-Sonic guy, while DVD Workshop has been contributed to by a guy who used to compete, under a different company, with Sonic several years ago. It's a small industry, I guess

Regarding bugs in DVD SP 2 - well, it's still not perfect, but it's slowly getting there. Reports are slowly trickling in of successfully replicated DVD9s with the latest 2.05 update, but it's early days yet, so no firm conclusions on that. It's funny you should mention Trai's app, I've been participating in testing it recently, and we made a breakthrough on April 1st - something truly awesome. Using DVD SP 2 + his app, we created the first of many TRUE Seamless-Branching titles!! Running it through some very expensive verification software, we got ZERO errors. This is for real.

My advice, if you can get hold of a cheap G4 (733mhz min spec) is to grab it and get DVD SP 2, then seriously consider partnering it with his program. I assure you, this has nothing to do with my involvement with it - the program speaks for itself, as I am sure you are well aware. CSS implementation is also very imminent, as is multiple simultaneous formatting to DLT (DDP 2.1 / CMF 1.0).

BTW, it is inappropriate to speak of DVD Studio Pro 2 as an updated version of 1.5. they are actually completely different programs. Apple bought Astarte and that became DVD SP 1.x. When Apple subsequently acquired Spruce Technologies, DVDMaestro became the program upon which DVD SP version 2 was (and is) based.

This year's NAB in Las Vegas ( www.nabshow.com/exhibitors/exhibitors.asp )will be an exciting time for DVD authors. Zootech are finally lauching their much-vaunted DVD-Extra technology ( www.zoo-tech.com ), Trai is formally launching (inc. Seamless-Branching - www.TFDVDEdit.com ), and Macromedia are launching advanced webDVD interactivity as part of their Director MX 2004 app. ( www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/director/articles/dvd.html ). Apple are sure to respond with something big, as, perhaps, will Sonic. That's just to name a few. Keep your eyes peeled, there's a change-a-comin'!


Arky ;o)

[disturbed1]

BTW, it is inappropriate to speak of DVD Studio Pro 2 as an updated version of 1.5. they are actually completely different programs. Apple bought Astarte and that became DVD SP 1.x. When Apple subsequently acquired Spruce Technologies, DVDMaestro became the program upon which DVD SP version 2 was (and is) based.

That makes it clear now.

I knew about Spruce and Apple, but never heard much good about 1.5. I guess they acquired Spruce during/shortly after 1.5?

The G4 is gutted, MB, CPU and case only. But for $100 I'll have to check if it's a real G4 or just an upgraded 9600. Even if it's upgraded OSX will still run on it.

[Arky]

BTW, it is inappropriate to speak of DVD Studio Pro 2 as an updated version of 1.5. they are actually completely different programs. Apple bought Astarte and that became DVD SP 1.x. When Apple subsequently acquired Spruce Technologies, DVDMaestro became the program upon which DVD SP version 2 was (and is) based.

That makes it clear now.

I knew about Spruce and Apple, but never heard much good about 1.5. I guess they acquired Spruce during/shortly after 1.5?

The G4 is gutted, MB, CPU and case only. But for $100 I'll have to check if it's a real G4 or just an upgraded 9600. Even if it's upgraded OSX will still run on it.

Actually, 1.5.1 does have it's own merits (good for 16:9 slideshows, for example). Let's face it, all complex programs have their bugs here and there.


Regarding the MAC, yes $100 is cheap anyway, but please do bear in mind what I said about needing a minimum spec G4 733mhz for running DVD SP 2. It's a great program, but it does guzzle CPU power owing to the manner in which it was ported and subsequently developed.

Regards,


Arky ;o)

[Arky]

Info on DVD SP 2 -> 2.05 update:

http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n93500


Arky ;o)