Blueray recorder this fall

[neomaine]

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/photoessay/0,18467,584795-9,00.html

My guess is this will kill duel layer either before it starts, if the price is right, or shortly thereafter if the price takes a while to drop.

All I know is that with all my over-the-air stations (abc, cbs, nbc, pbs, upn, fox and wb) now at digital, this is looking quite attractive. Course I'll need a HDTV as well...

[jeex]

i think blueray is going to turn in to what laser disc did..

[DivXExpert]

I was just thinking that. So much potential, just like ld.

[DivXExpert]

On the other hand, it still has a chance. I havn't looked to deeply into the specs, so I don't know which one is better. Or which on would be better for me.

[fmctm1sw]

On the other hand, it still has a chance. I havn't looked to deeply into the specs, so I don't know which one is better. Or which on would be better for me.

Blu-ray is supposed to do like 28GB I think.....

[zod5000]

if they could invent a device that was backwards compatible.. ie could read regular dvd's.

kinda like dvd-roms now that can read cd's.

If they could do that.. people would be more prone to upgrade as their existing dvd's collections wouldn't have to be garbaged

[dafoe]

It would have to have a hard drive and it would have to be under $1000 with sub $5 blank discs for me to be interested. I don't see any of that happening on the initial release.

Secondly, They already have Blue Ray recorders in Japan So I'm not that excited about this. I finally bought my first DVD recorder at the end of 2000 when generic discs dropped to about $4 each I paid over $800 for my DMR-E20.

I suspect Blue Ray will work in the same manner- The discs are $25 and the (Japanese) recorder is $3800 USD. When the first unit is released in the US I can't imagine the prices being drastically lower.

On the other hand, I would love to have a Blue Ray PC writer when they come out. Twenty something gigs of data on one disc? That would be awesome for data backup

[energy80s]

if they could invent a device that was backwards compatible.. ie could read regular dvd's.

kinda like dvd-roms now that can read cd's.

If they could do that.. people would be more prone to upgrade as their existing dvd's collections wouldn't have to be garbaged

All Blu-Ray players will be able to play existing DVD's. It's just that current red laser machines won't be able to read the new Blu-Ray format.

[mazinz]

i remember seeing something (refering to the Japanese units) where they had it as (roughly, well very roughly)

24 gigs for the 2 hour speed with some bitrate also in the 20's.

So techincally if you use the lp speed that would probably equal our 8-9 high rate for dvd now, and the ep speed equal what most use for a regular 2 hr film. That would be insane. I would love fitting that much dvd equivelant content onto one disc

[coyote]

We will also need blue ray for HD Movies. A dual layer disc, even at the 8.5 or 9 gig level, does not have enough storage for a movie in Hi Def.

[triphop]

Exactly - the thing that propelled DVD was the widespread adoption of the format as a movie distribution format. Bluray and competitors will allow the distribution of movies for high-def devices. Until high-def tvs and the like become more widespread, expect this format to be limited to wealthy early adopters. Its a slow-start process but once the HD transition takes off, expect these technologies to zip to the headlines.

Triphop

[Vanderlow]

Actually you can do HD on current DVD if compressed through WM9 and there will be DVD players out in a couple months that will play them.

[the future]

Actually you can do HD on current DVD if compressed through WM9 and there will be DVD players out in a couple months that will play them.

Link?

[dcsos]

www.wmvhd.com
for limited hi def on existing dvd media -but unplayable in all but 3 or 4 settop devices manufactured

also blu ray is already used for pro camcorders gathering news by SONY
at 50 or 25MPS per sec (switchable) so this has replaced BETACAM SP

there is format war between this LG FORMAT
and TOSHIBA competing 23 GB Optical Disc

Hollywood will prefer TOSHIBA FORMAT becuse there's no burner in place like with the 30gb blu ray

[Supreme2k]

This is all well and good, but when are they going to invnt me some Hi-Def eyes to view all this stuff?

[triphop]

I quite frankly would not feel too good about tying HD to Microsoft and its WM9. Call me irrational but I don't trust them at all. I would prefer an MPEG standard over a proprietary codec / media format. And even if the WM9 codecs manage to get 10-15% more compression so that HD can be recorded on DVD9 disks - I still do not think that this will provide enough space (this is a complete guess).

[jntaylor63]

Blu-Ray is not going to make a bang in the market, but rather a pop.

1.) The new media for HD-DVD is AOD. When the DVD-Forum picks a codec for HD-DVD, set-top makers and movie studios can start making HD-DVD's. And we know that 90% of the DVD success has been with making movies. The laser is cheaper and can play back DVD. Blu-Ray can not play back DVD with its own laser. (Which is why they lost with the forum.)

2.) Cost. A great number of disk pressing companies can use the same hardward to press AOD. All of them would have to retool to make Blu-Ray. (An other reason Blu-Ray lost with the forum)

At best it maybe used in a VCR / Tivo style system to kill tape recording. The IT world may also use it for data storage. But it still comes down to cost. Does Joe Consumer and Jack IT want to pay big $$$ for Blu-Ray when DVD-R (and soon AOD-R) is much cheaper per storage size and hardware?


The main backer for Blu-Ray is Sony and they have a track record for pushing media that either died slow (Mini Discs, DAT, BetaMax) or is fighting to stay alive. (Memory Sticks)

[energy80s]

The main backer for Blu-Ray is Sony and they have a track record for pushing media that either died slow (Mini Discs, DAT, BetaMax) or is fighting to stay alive. (Memory Sticks)

Both minidiscs and DAT are still very much alive, and used pretty much exclusively in the BBC for audio - MD for music playout and DAT for programme recording. CDR's are only used for customer freebee copies.

[dcsos]

does anyone have more info about home recording to AOD?
we know home recording to Blu-ray is do able because already a $3500 standalone sony burner sells in ASIA

[jntaylor63]

Energy80's:

Ok, maybe in the business sales, but not in the consumer world. (And that is the market to win!)

dcsos:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=4578

[Ironballs]

Microsoft have lost the plot with HD Video. Lets get this straight, My old Granny has just mastered the art of putting in a DVD and pressing the play button and can just get her head around chapters and extras, is no way going to be able to handle all that farting about aquiring licences to view a film.

This might appeal to tech heads, but even they'll take one look at the DRM issues and give M$ the finger.

So who is M$ marketing this for, not consumers and certainly not for people like us?

Personally I think Blue-Ray will win out when broadcasters trasmit in HD becuse the pubic, ie the mass buyers, will be able to get the heads around something that behaves to all intents, like a dvd player.

[-jsl-]

Blu-Ray is not going to make a bang in the market, but rather a pop.

1.) The new media for HD-DVD is AOD. When the DVD-Forum picks a codec for HD-DVD, set-top makers and movie studios can start making HD-DVD's. And we know that 90% of the DVD success has been with making movies. The laser is cheaper and can play back DVD. Blu-Ray can not play back DVD with its own laser. (Which is why they lost with the forum.)

I doubt the laser is cheaper for AOD than for Blu-ray Disc (BD) and AOD also requires an extra red laser for playback of CDs and DVDs so no difference there. BD has never lost anything as the format has not been proposed to DVD forum at all, it's developed outside DVD forum intentionally.

2.) Cost. A great number of disk pressing companies can use the same hardward to press AOD. All of them would have to retool to make Blu-Ray. (An other reason Blu-Ray lost with the forum)

At best it maybe used in a VCR / Tivo style system to kill tape recording. The IT world may also use it for data storage. But it still comes down to cost. Does Joe Consumer and Jack IT want to pay big $$$ for Blu-Ray when DVD-R (and soon AOD-R) is much cheaper per storage size and hardware?

Cost might be higher initially for disc manufacturers but the overall cost for producing a disc should be about the same.

The main backer for Blu-Ray is Sony and they have a track record for pushing media that either died slow (Mini Discs, DAT, BetaMax) or is fighting to stay alive. (Memory Sticks)

Well BD has a very large support among CE companies, optical storage companies and now also from PC giants HP and Dell. Honestly I don't think AOD will have a chance when it comes to the recordable formats.
Hollywood will however likely not agree on one format so we'll probably end up with a situation similar to SACD vs. DVD-audio for the ROM-formats of AOD and BD.

[lordsmurf]

This is all well and good, but when are they going to invnt me some Hi-Def eyes to view all this stuff?

I'm with you !!!

[dcsos]

jn thanks for the link!

Tsune Hisashi of NEC said that the drive is expected in the market in 2005. Compared to Blu-Ray technology, he said that the NEC's proposal is easier to be implemented since the media can be manufactured easier since they do not include any cartridge, and their compatibility with current DVD players is the key of success.

In addition, he said that only ROM media will be available initially. However, although the recordable format is technically achieved, the DVD Forum has not yet approved it.

to me the fact that this AOD disc cannot be burned makes it the clear victor to HOLLYWOOD
the quote indicates that the Burner stage is introduced after the "rom"
is out for a year with no burners yet

[dicktheprick]

They said that Dual layer recording would never work, and they're on the way. People enjoy solving puzzles/problems, even in the technical arena, so if you say that AOD cant be burned, someone will figure out a way to do it.

[dcsos]

they have figgured a way to burn it..read quote just before your post
its just they're rolling it out later

unlike blu ray where burnables already exist
nuff said

[triphop]

I would prefer that they come out with ROM and re/writeable formats simultaneously so that they avoid the mess we are just getting over with old DVDs not reading writeable disks. Other than that and cost issues I dont care which very large companies format gets to be the next big thing.

[Vanderlow]

The Bravo D3 DVD Player for $350 will be out Q2 2004 and play HD DVD WM9 movies. Terminator 2(?) is already out in wm9 HD (which can be view in a PC now with 3ghz processor).

http://www.vinc.us/news.asp?page=newReleases

[energy80s]

Energy80's:

Ok, maybe in the business sales, but not in the consumer world. (And that is the market to win!)

dcsos:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=4578

I use minidisc exclusively for home recording. CDR never really caught on in the UK as standalone music recorders. People have CDR burners in their PC's but you don't have a great selection of standalone machines (maybe 2 or 3 in hi-fi stores) whereas MD machines are everywhere. I have a portable, a hi-fi and an in-car MD machines. Also CDRs are very easily damaged and half of the CD players out there won't play them. Thank God DVDRs are a lot more durable.

[K(c)offee]

Cant we just stick with one format for a little while? I like DVDs. I love my DVDs. I dont want to have to look down at how crappy my dvds are compared to newer better stuff. I spend half my time at video rental places now asking them to get DVD versions of movies. I dont want to have to re ask them to get better then DVDs 2 years from now. *sigh*