InstantCopy0 8.0 will not yield final size > 4.29Gb.. ??

[jbenj01]

Even with IC Settings set to manually select my end files size, IC8 refuses to output > 4.29Gb, even when I manually adjust final output size to be 4.90Gb..

How do i get around this??

[Gurm]

Why on God's Green Earth would you want to generate a DVD image that's bigger than a blank DVD?

- Gurm

[jbenj01]

Um.. maybe b/c I'd like an end size that is 4.37Gb, which is approx. the size of a blank DVD-R.. ??

Right now, IC8.0 won't give me anything beyond 4.29Gb.. Even when I manually try to oversize end size to 4.8-4.9Gb, it still produces a 4.29G final file size.

Please advise.. thanks.

[Gurm]

Ahh I see, you intend to quibble over 80MB? Well, to each his own. It might be a safety margin, who knows?

- Gurm

[jbenj01]

Absolutely! I'm trying to back up an episodic disc that's rather large and every MB counts.. The 4.29Gb video quality sucks--noticeable pixelation..

I've used IFOedit/CCE method that yielded excellent video quality, but I can't keep chapter points in tact b/c it's a mulit-PGC DVD and I'm trying to keep menus + all 4 episodes.. Can't figure out how to do this in Maestro...

[AdamRA4]

Give DVDShrink a try.

[jbenj01]

Yes, I've tried latest DVDShrink.. unacceptable video quality for me. Actually, I've tried most of the 1-click apps and none are acceptable.. I usually find IC to be somewhat acceptable on large DVD's, but cannot get it max out on end file size..

I wonder if there's a 'safety margin' (as Gurm stated) that leaves some space.. But I can't figure out how to dis-enable that feature thru IC Settings.. anyone? Thank you.

[offline]

jbenj01,

I doubt that you will improve things with just 80 meg but I can
understand your desire to fill every last kbyte up.

Perhaps this checklist may assist -

- Have you d/loaded the latest IC8 update to build 0270 ?
- ' ' " ' tried removing the hidden registery settings?
- " " " ' using DVDShrink to compress all menus to single pic
and backup to video_ts, then run IC8?

[AdamRA4]

Or try to reauthor all together. I went to backup The Abyss, which a 3 hour long movie, and it had 4 versions of it on the same DVD-9 disc! They in the main window showed "Title Set 1,2,3,4" I found out that there were 2 separate versions of the movie, Theatrical and Special Edition. Then there was 2 videos for each one with like 50+ chapters and the other with only ~40. It was very wierd. So I ended up reauthoring the Special Edition version with the most chapters and got great compression. So it is all about how they did the movie and the way the disc is set up.

[Gurm]

Adam,

The Abyss has a lot of weird multi-camera-angle stuff in it, which is why it appears so strange.

- Gurm

[falberni]

You have to install Instant Copy's Hidden Setting and run it to modify the registry. Then you'd run it before you run IC8.

To adjust the slider, just hold the F5 key and use the right and left arrow keys on the keyboard to move the slider. If you use the mouse to drag the slider, it will jump back to were it was.

BTW, I think 4.29 is pretty good for IC8 to achieve. I'd leave it at that.

[bp201973]

I actually went back to IC7 because of the file size issue. Its not the best, but I can estimate the final size better with IC7. In fact, recently I've been getting it so there is only a few hundred free kilobytes on a burned dvd (meaning I took almost all the space on the dvd).

I realize it probably doesn't improve picture quality much, but I feel better maximizing the disc space.

[jbenj01]

Thanks to all for the suggestions/tips.. I've tried everything except update IC8 to latest version (per offline)--pretty dumb of me.. Will try that.. But other than that, can't get this son-of-a-gun IC8 to go beyone 4.29g..

But I agree with bp201973, I was better able to control final size using IC7.. will give that a go, as well.. Thanks again.

and falberni, I do have IC8 Hidden Settings.. but I simply unchecked 'Automatic Video Size', which allowed me simply to drag the sizing slider with the mouse to where ever I wanted. I even slid it to 5.0G and the darned thing output a 4.28gb size--less than the original 4.29.. ??

Are you saying to check the 'Automatic Video Size' and then use the F5 + arrow method?

[xuy_98]

There are two issues here.

IC8 has a strict control over the destination size, whcih is defined in the registry. You can't over the destination size. You can change it to whatever you want. How about 9GB.

When you deselect some titles, IC8 still counts the size of those deselected titles.

The solution is setting the destination size to 4.32GB, plus 0.08 buffer, plus compressed size of deselected titles.

Too much trouble? The second issue appearently is a stupid bug in IC8.

[MackemX]

the simple answer here is that IC will simply undersize some DVD's even if you put them at 99.99%. The fact you keep menu's and extras compensates for the undersizing as it reduces the range of error. A movie only that undersizes will never be 4.37Gb no matter what you do

it's the 2.35:1 ratios that seem to upset IC due to the black bar image reducing more than IC accounts for

there is no perfect solution though I did manage to get extremely good results using my old sizing calculator and a bit of user input 8), but I got sick of it in the end

[northcat_8]

Go to www.mrbass.org/pinnacle

download hidden settings 1.4.2

Make sure Instant Copy 8 is not open and start hidden settings. There is an arrow " > "on the upper right side beside the Instant Copy ICON. Click it and it will take you to the 2nd page of settings.

On the 2 big sliders at the bottom, one is a setting for automatic reductions - AS in when IC8 starts it is the target file size that IC8 will automatically set.

The other is a setting for the little bar of how big the file size CAN be.

If you are comfortable setting your own %'s....I just run those sliders all the way to the right side. Or at least bigger than 4300. I think mine is set at 5210 MB right now...I can't remember exactly.

But IC8 will let you create a DVD over sized. I know this because their numbers are off even more than IC7. I figure the final file size by hand and I was off using the same method I used figuring the file size in IC7.

[jbenj01]

Well, I downgraded back to IC7 and after putzing with different custom resizes, I'm getting final sizes of ~4.37Gb. Unfortunately, as expected, it did not help much with the episodic disc I was backing up. But after stipping the 5.1ch track and keeping the 2ch, I was able to live with final product...

northcat, thanks! I didn't even realize there was a 2nd page. Are you saying that you were able to custome resize to final size of ~4.37Gb with IC8?? If so, I'm upgrading again.. Please advise and confirm. Thanks.

[northcat_8]

Yes you can customize size with IC8, there are some more settings you need to set up, I'm at "work"....I would have to check them when I get home to tell you exactly what they are.

You can resize to just about any size you want.

My settings are pretty close to what www.mrbass.org/pinnacle has on their site.

My friend has IC8 and I have used it and messed around with it and in my opinion it sucks. I think it is a down grade from IC7 and I won't buy it or use it. Too many settings that are un-necessary.

[northcat_8]

As you can see I am using IC7...these are my settings






You can run the slider all the way out, it makes no difference really since you are just wanting to be able to get to 4.37...make sure you are taking into account the byte to KB conversion....4.3 GB = 4,700,000,000 bytes. That is simple enough mathematics, Pinnacle should have patched that by now.

[Super Warrior]

Blehh! I see Instantcopy still has'ent been fixed yet,the sizeing issue crap was what caused me to stop useing it a while back.Unfortunitly for me i did'nt find out the stupid program was causeing that problem till after i'd burned around 11 DVDs.

And ofcoarse there is the friggin' absurd amount of time the stupid program takes to process a DVD,which i could barely stand EVEN when i thought it was working properly! Screw that.

I started useing DVD2One and never looked back.Perfect 4.36GB everytime with no hassles whatsoever.

[jbenj01]

northcat,

Thanks! I see you've gone back to IC7, as well.. I'm not sure what I did, but my sizing is now 1:1.. meaning, final size comes out to what I set it to on the slider in the actual program.. so if i set it to 4.38, i get final size of 4.36-4.38.. But my 2nd page of IC Settings is at
4.35G and 4.37. Thanks again for info.

Star Warrior,

Yes, IC does take a quite bit longer than D2One but i use it b/c i believe its transcoding engine is slightly better and comes in handy on relatively large DVD's, i.e., episodic DVd's. Otherwise, I'd agree, D2One is amazingly fast and convenient for many backups.

[jbenj01]

northcat,

When you say "slider", are you talking about the one on the actual IC program? I'm guessing you are.. Where do you set that slider, i.e., on the actual program?

Usually, when i strip audio, langs, subs out, I get a little extra room to play with so i usually slide the green bar in IC out to 4.37G or so.. Is that what you do? Or are you saying that if you set the settings in IC Settings as your pics above reflect, that you do NOT have to mess with the slider bar in the actual program??

thx.

[northcat_8]

The slider I am refering to in the post above is the one in the hidden settings.

In the program itself, I set the % slider like this:

Main movie Title set = 100%
Any extra's I want to keep = 50%
Any extra's I don't want = 30%

Now, if the movie still won't fit then I start adjusting the Main Movie Title set, I usually run it down to 85% if I have to go that far. If I get it to 85% and it still won't fit then I take the extra's I want to keep and put them at 30%, then go back and adjust the main movie down further until it will fit. I will not go past 75% though. Even though 70% still looks pretty good, I can see a difference in quality after 75%.

If the DVD is still oversized with:

Main Movie = 75%
Everything else = 30%

Then I will just use IFOedit and do a movie only disc. This happens quite a bit on discs that are both full screen and wide screen.

I also strip all audio that I don't want. I keep one english track on anything I want and I remove the audio on everything I don't want.

[jbenj01]

I ask b/c i just went back to IC8 and am messing around with the settings. On my 1st attempt, i set to 4.38G to both sliders on the 2nd page of IC settings and got 4.24G.. !@$!#$!!!!

I'm trying your settings above currently.. will post with results. This thing is a PIA!

[jbenj01]

Update: Used your settings pictured above (~4.51G) for both slider settings on the 2nd page of IC Settings and.. perfect! IC8 gave me final size of 4.38G. Hope it is consistent, though... Thanks for your help.