Europeans and their borders

[mrtristan]

I have a question for those of you who live in Europe. What's the situation when you drive across a border line? Do you need a Visa to pass from one country to another, or is it more laxed? Is there even a border patrol?

Also, what about immunity? Over here, crooks can run over to Mexico and be protected by the Mexican government. We can only extradite them back to the US, with the consent of the Mexican government. Or something like that. If someone robs a bank in Spain, then flees to France will the French government protect them, or send their ass back to Spain for punishment?

[lordsmurf]

Over here, crooks can run over to Mexico and be protected by the Mexican government.

Where have you heard/seen this? The movies? I've never heard of this happening outside of the movies, and I've lived near the border before.

[pacmania_2001]

Planning a bank robbery are we?

[Gees]

Why the title

Frickin Europeans

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[The village idiot]

Planning a bank robbery are we?

Do you need any help with that bank job? I'm still without, so I have some time. I'm very skilled at taking things apart, and could probably build a device to knock out the video cameras I also recently watched a show about how bank vaults are built, would that be of any help?

[tgpo]

If someone robs a bank in Spain, then flees to France will the French government protect them, or send their ass back to Spain for punishment?

They havn't done anything with Roman Polanski.

[housepig]

They havn't done anything with Roman Polanski.

well, he's a "national treasure".

you heard he's working on a new movie with Steven Speilberg?
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[Tommyknocker]

I have a question for those of you who live in Europe. What's the situation when you drive across a border line? Do you need a Visa to pass from one country to another, or is it more laxed? Is there even a border patrol?

Also, what about immunity? Over here, crooks can run over to Mexico and be protected by the Mexican government. We can only extradite them back to the US, with the consent of the Mexican government. Or something like that. If someone robs a bank in Spain, then flees to France will the French government protect them, or send their ass back to Spain for punishment?

Amazing. Very few criminals can get the protection of the Mexican government. About the same as Mexicans escaping to the U.S. and being protected by the American government. You can only get protection if you claim and are granted political asylum, which is usually pretty hard to prove.

The reason you have to extradict a criminal is the local police are the authority in the country they live in. Or would you not mind terribly if some Mexican federales kicked the door in your nice little four room townhouse becuase they heard a man they were looking for in Juarez might be living with you in Houston?

The second answer to your question is the borders are a little more laxed in the EU, as once you get into one EU countrry, your visa is usually accepted in the others. But not all european countries are in the EU. So if the local authorities in Spain barely miss a bank robber getting on a flight to France, they notify Interpol, , who notifies the Sureté. Once the criminal lands in France the Sureté sends him back to Spain "on the first thing smokin'".

Finally, please change the title of your post. Although I am not European, I live with them, and want to stay on good terms with them, okay?

[tgpo]

well, he's a "national treasure".

you heard he's working on a new movie with Steven Speilberg?

....wait for it...

..... "Close Encounters With the Third Grade".

lol!!

[MOVIEGEEK]

Good one housepig!

For the topic at hand,lately the cooperation between Mexico and the US has been very good regarding extradition but border enforcement is still very lax,in so. CA and so. AZ the smugglers are driving on the wrong side of the highways with their headlights off at NIGHT! Thank God no Americans have been killed yet.Canada on the other hand is notorious for dragging their feet with accused murders from the US,they want assurances that the accused won't get a death sentence,etc before extraditing.One case in the '90s took 8 YEARS to extradite an ex-marine who killed 6 people in CA back in the '80s.

BTW..what's with the topic header "Frickin Europeans"?

[energy80s]

There are now no border controls between Northern and Southern Ireland. I usually nip across the border to get cheap diesel. About 25p a litre cheaper and I'm not lining Gordon Brown's pockets!

[mrtristan]

Sorry about the topic title. No harm intended. I usually post at another forum, which is a smaller community than this one. I didn't even realize that people might take it seriously and be offended. My apologies, if anyone was offended.

Anyway, I thought the Mexican situation was more of a movie thing, until I read several articles, in the newspaper. A local bounty hunter recently made some pretty big news, for capturing a convicted rapist. He actually got into trouble with the Mexican government, for pursuing the criminal past the US border. I also read about the situation in general, in a magazine. I think it might have been Newsweek or Time. I know it's not as easy as runing away to Mexico and getting off scott free, but people are doing it. I don't remember the details, but the Mexican government had a good reason for protecting convicts from extradition and it wasn't protecting the rights of local Mexicans.

[Conquest10]

That guy got arrested because Mexico does not recognize (is that the right term?) bounty hunters. By capturing him, he kidnapped him. Kidnapping is illegal. That's why he was arrested. I have never heard of the Mexican government ever protecting a wanted man from the US.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Conquest10 is correct,the man was Max Factor(cosmetics) great-grandson and was accused of rape and jumped bail.I like the law in Mexico of banning bounty hunters if they are not police officers,I don't condone criminal behavior but apprehension should be left to the police.The numbnut bounty hunter never checked Mexican law and thought he could just get on a plane with his fugitive.

I do like Midnight Run with Deniro and Grodin.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/09/national/main535821.shtml

[gmatov]

I think the US is the only country that does in some respects recognize the so called "bounty hunter".

Personally, I think it sucks that some ex-jock can decide he will be a "bounty hunter".

You all know I am pro gun, but for some assshole to decide he's a big man and he can go anywhere he wants to, and grab anyone that a bail bonds man tells him to, and grab anyone he wants to, is against the principles of the US.

The bondsman put up a thousand or 10, or whatever, and if the guy skips, send a hunter after him. Nail his ass and drag him back in cuffs.

Hey, I think you are supposed to be a real law enforcement officer to do this, not a jock whose bad knees put his 350 pounds out of the game,whichever game it was.

Black eye for the US, when we can hunt each other.

Child molester, somesuch, everybody should be looking. A burglar doesn't want to show for trial, let the frickin' cops catch him, not a jackoff who still thinks he's better and tougher than everybody else.

Cheers,

George

[mrtristan]

I didn't even know that bounty hunters were a reality, until the local guy made the news. Like the Mexican situation, I thought it was just Hollywood hype.

[lordsmurf]

I wonder what happens when a bounty hunter is shot while trespassing. He's not law after all. If I had a gun, I'd shoot his ass.

[g_shocker182]

I wonder what happens when a bounty hunter is shot while trespassing. He's not law after all. If I had a gun, I'd shoot his ass.

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This seems to be the overall Texan view.

[gmatov]

It's happened in other places. They are not cops, they crash in the door, the skip is not yet a felon (remember, you have to be convicted of a felony to be a felon, therefore forbidden a firearm), he plugs the bully-boy, calls the cops, a home invasion that was unsuccessful, to the nth degree.

It has also happened that the bounty hunter did what the BATF, the FBI, the local cops have on occassion done. Got screwed up and grabbed and beat the snot out of the wrong guy in subduing him. Wind up in jail their own selves.

Good on 'em. Pack of thugs. We hire, train and pay cops to do this kind of thing. This is akin to vigilanteism The bail bondsman is happy to grab 10% of the bond up front from people who won't skip, upstanding member of the community, whatever. If he skips, send a thug to bring him back.

Hell with'em.

Lord smurf,

Gasp! A Texan? No gun? Totally disillusioned!

(I know, I read your posts in the "other", locked thread, and see your viewpoint, vis-a-vis kids, etc. Just kidding.)

[andydd]

Well..........Im in the Uk..Of course I need my passport to travel to europe but not a visa..once you are in mainland europe most road borders are pretty lax..........youll just get waved through...unless you look dodgy of course.

As for running abroad when youve done a crime..it was well known that many UK criminals used to go a live in the Costa Del Crime (as it became known) in spain..due to lax extradition laws but these days the laws in europe are pretty similar so youll have to bugger off further afield (ala Ronnie Biggs stylee). And I do believe Ronnie was only not extradited back to the Uk coz he was married to a Brazillian and they had a kid.

[Dragonsf]

To get back to the topic:
In EU we have 2 kind of countries:either they belong to the Schengen treaty or not.If you go from one Schengen country to the other (like Germany to France or Spain: there is no border control at all (i.e. most of the times, if border guard thinks, it need something to do, the make temporary control again.)If you go to a non-Schengen country (like CH or UK), there is sort of border control.
Within EU, you don't need any VISA.
And there is EuroPol (like InterPol but within EU borders)

[acd-75]

If you drive between the EU countries in mainland Europe there are no controls. You dont need a passport, but most EU countries issue ID cards. I know for certain the border crossings on the motorways between Holland and Germany have been removed. The French however have left the border points so they can harrass their citizens who drive to Belgium and Holland to buy cheaper goods.

When I fly to Spain from UK they dont even look at your passport at the Spanish end. As the UK doesnt issue ID cards (yet) you need your passport to get back in to UK. You're made to queue and they scrutinise your picture as if you where Carlos the Jackal or someone.

However, the quickest route to enter the UK is to start off in Iran or Kosovo and enter via the Channel Tunnel whilst clinging to the axle of a lorry!

Andy

[Conquest10]

However, the quickest route to enter the UK is to start off in Iran or Kosovo and enter via the Channel Tunnel whilst clinging to the axle of a lorry!

[acd-75]

I was being sarcastic! I was refering to the illegal immigrants and 'asylum seekers' that come through a dozen other countries before entering this country. The reason they dont want to settle in most other EU countries is that UK foolishly gives handouts to any one who claims 'asylum' yet other countries tell them to sod off!

Andy

[Tommyknocker]

Foolish, huh? Jesus said we will always have the poor with us, and we can help them whenever we will. You have a problem with your government doing that, you know Whom to see. They have permission.

[acd-75]

Yes I do have a problem with it, as do most other citizens who resent the fact that their taxes are squandered. It's not the people as individuals that I have an issue with its the fact that the government can't do enough for 'asylum seekers' yet little old men and women are freezing to death because they cant afford to heat them selves during the winter.

It has always been the case. I use the term 'asylum seekers' very loosely. The wars in Yugoslavia, Afganistan etc are over so rather that building a life in there new found freedom they come here. Why? there is no longer a problem at home so why do they leave? If you or I turned up somewhere demanding accomodation, money, shopping vouchers.... the list goes on you would be laughed at!

I was made redundant a few years ago and I thought I would get help until I resumed work. I was offered a pitance even had to wait because I had been paid 1 months salary in lieu of notice.
The lady at the DSS advice office said unless you were a single mother with loads of kids and no fathers on the scene or an asylum seeker you got nothing!

So please dont think im racist in any way, as a gay lad I dont do biggotry, I am just pissed of with this government as I think it has its priorities all wrong!

Andy ;o)

[Tommyknocker]

Heehee. Squadered? Giving money to the poor is not squandering. It is called giving alms. I told you you are complaining to the wrong person. Your government has permission. Let it be, giving money to the poor does not concern you if you are not the one doing it, even if it is your taxes you paid your government is doing it with.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Lets mind the religious references..we don't want another thread locked.I can say from firsthand experience,living in California,that too many illegal immigrants puts a strain on social services,schools,housing not to mention the states budget.

[Tommyknocker]

I can't evoke religion, but you can evoke prejudice?

[gmatov]

Hey,,

Knock off the religion and prejudice.

Them of you who are all pissed with Mexican labor coming acros the border to pick lettuce, or green onions, go out try it yourself.

Sitting before your computer is a breeze in comparison. They sell for 2 for a buck 19, here so what do you think they pay those peons for their labor? A penny a bunch, 3000 bunches to get close to minimum wage?

And they get sick, they should go back home? Don't drain our tax dollars! If it wasn't political I'd say, Damn, you'll make a good Republican.

As to Brits being pissed at refugees from Kosovo ,hey,if you had stood up to the bussiness interestss that said they WOULD get the minerals from the former Yugoslav Republic at their price, or we will steramroll you, you might not have all those refugees.

I know, Maggie and Tony are your gods., so religion does get involved.

What ******** the young are..

Cheers,

George