Laserdisc player the plays vcds?

[JGDragov]

Hey.
This is kind of a follow up question to a post I had about laserdisc players.
I am considering buying a Pioneer CLD-S201. In its description it says something to the effect of "3 disc capability CD/CVD/LD".
To prove I am not totally stupid I've figured out what CD and LD mean, but does anyone know what CVD stands for?
Does it stand for "compact video discs"? And does that make it a VCD?
Your invaluable feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

[vitualis]

No, CVD IS NOT VCD.

I believe CVD is laserdisc type video on CD media.

If you look around, there are laserdisc players that play VCD as well.

Regards.

[adam]

Yeah CVD stands for compact video disk. Svcds players are backward compatible with CVD and VCD, it seems logical that a CVD player might be able to play svcds or vcds but I would think they would mention that if it were the case. I dont know, read this and decide for yourself.

"There were originally three independent efforts of bringing the next-generation video disc standard to the Chinese market:

China Video Disc (CVD), developed by C-Cube Microsystems and its Chinese OEM partners
Super Video CD (SVCD), developed by China Recording Standards Committee under the requirements given by Chinese Ministry of Information Industry, with technical support from ESS Technology
High-Quality Video CD (HQ-VCD), developed by the Video CD Consortium (consisting of Philips, Sony, Matsushita and JVC, the companies that created the original White Book Video CD specification)
C-Cube got a healthy head start, mostly because it was already an established subcontractor in the Chinese VCD player market. The company naturally wanted to retain its market leader position also with the 2nd generation video disc technology. Since most of the White Book VCD players were based on C-Cube's MPEG decoder chipset, the company was able to develop its own next-generation standard in close co-operation with major Chinese hardware manufacturers. The development of the CVD specification began in 1997 and the first CVD players were released on the market in June 1998, while SVCD and HQ-VCD specifications were still at a draft stage.

This move apparently created some panic in the SVCD and HQ-VCD camps, especially since creating a national 2nd generation video disc standard of its own was at a high priority in the government's interests.

The result was that the government - which had up until this moment mostly pursued its own efforts, and ignored the competition - changed its position and agreed to back the creators of the rivalling HQ-VCD specification. This agreement was made on the condition that the respective feature sets of HQ-VCD and SVCD would be unified into a single standard that would still go by the name 'SVCD', and that the government-backed committee had a final say on the details. The deal was actually a big win to the Video CD Consortium (i.e. Philips-Sony-Matsushita-JVC) since they were late players in this game to begin with.

The co-operation between Chinese Ministry of Information Industry and Video CD Consortium was announced in July 1998, and the final SVCD spec was released shortly thereafter. Thus, the current SVCD spec is actually a fusion of features taken from the government's original SVCD spec and the VCD Consortium's HQ-VCD spec.

However, most of the big VCD player manufacturers in China were backing C-Cube's CVD standard, and there were already approximately 300 000 to 600 000 CVD players in the distribution channels. It was considered necessary not to alienate C-Cube and the manufacturers who had already put so much effort in the CVD standard. To resolve this problem, the Department of Science and Technology of Ministry of Information Industry forced a compromise in incorporating CVD and SVCD under a single umbrella format called "Chaoji Video CD" in November 1998.

"Chaoji VCD" (which roughly translates to 'Super VCD') is not actually a new disc format, but more like a compatibility specification for players. A Chaoji VCD player must be able to play back at least SVCD, CVD, VCD 2.0, VCD 1.1 and CD-DA discs.

Today, all of the so-called 'SVCD' players in production are actually Chaoji VCD players. Despite the mandatory CVD support, it is conceivable that the actual CVD format will be (already is?) orphaned in favor of SVCD. As far as I know, there are no features in the CVD format that would not also exist in the SVCD specification."

Get the full info here:

http://www.uwasa.fi/~f76998/video/svcd/overview/

[vitualis]

I believe that the "CVD" referred to previously isn't one of the former putative SVCD standards. Rather, it is the name for the format of putting laser disc video onto CD media -- thus, having nothing to do with VCD or SVCD at all.

Thus, most laser disc players will play "CVD".

There have been some models of laser disc players that also play VCD and even DVD I believe.

Regards.

[adam]

Wow I have to say I really doubted you on this one Vitualis but after further searching your right. Its hard to believe but there are actually two formats called CVD. The information I got from that site I posted is actually incorrect, so you can understand my confusion. The format CVD which merged into the svcd format does not stand for compact video disk, it actually refers to chinese video disk, which is basically just a modification of the svcd standard of today.

The CVD you are referring to actually does stand for compact video disk and your right it is basically an attempt to copy a laserdisk to a recordable disk.

"CDV is a variation of the analog laserdisc standard in which PCM soundtracks were inserted along with the analog video. Its most common form was a disc which is as big as and looks like a normal CD, but can contain up to 6 mins. of video with PCM sound and 20 mins of PCM sound only. It is now a collector's item"

Wow 6 whole mins of video, I'd pass on that player unless you got a bunch of laserdisks.

[pacmania_2001]

Does anyone know how to encode a CVD? and if so do any VCD/DVD players support it.

[Robbins1940]

It's actually CDV not CVD.

It was a format brought out in the 80s that had around 5 mins max video and 20 mins audio.

It didn't catch on though. The discs looked gold as far as I know and were standard cd size.

David

[adam]

Ahh, sorry I guess I didn't read my own post well enough.
Vitulis this was the format you were referring to though wasnt it? So does this mean that, assuming the original poster didnt make the same spelling mistake that I did, that this laserdisk does in fact play CVD, the deriviation of the svcd standard?

[zzyzzx]

I know someone with a Pioneer LD/DVD player and it will not play VCD's (even prerecorded ones).

[AntnyMD]

Analog:
LD Laserdisc
CDV Compact Disc Video (a 5" laserdisc)

Digital:
VCD VideoCD
CVD Chao-Ji VideoCD (or, Chinese VCD)
HQ-VCD High Quality VCD
SVCD Super VideoCD
DVD Digital Versatile Disc (aka Digital video disc)

[thxkid]

Laser disc onwer here for over 13 years, no they don't make any Laser disc player sold in US that plays VCD, But if you can get you hands on any Pal Laser disc player from Asia they will, my cousin bought a Pioneer Laser Disc Player in Indonsia 2 years ago and it plays Laser discs and VCD's, see pirate VCD's are REALLY popular in China, Indonsia and other 3rd world asian countries.

[vitualis]

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Ahh, sorry I guess I didn't read my own post well enough.
Vitulis this was the format you were referring to though wasnt it? So does this mean that, assuming the original poster didnt make the same spelling mistake that I did, that this laserdisk does in fact play CVD, the deriviation of the svcd standard?
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Yes, this was what I was referring to -- wasn't entire sure of the acronym though.

I suppose that it is possible for a laserdisc player to also play CVD (China Video Disc -- i.e., "SVCD&quot, but I would treat that with some scepticism. It is more likely just a typo.

Regards.

[JGDragov]

Wow.
Sorry I didn't respond sooner to all the posts left to my inquiry so I could have saved people some time.
I apologize, it was cdv not cvd. I thank everyone who weighed in on this. Next time I'll watch the type-o's.