What To Do! .Bin & .Cue?

[LeGenDz]

I have a .bin file and a .cue file for my movie, what do I do to burn onto a CD so I can play it on DVD players?

[aldus4]

The bin file is an image file - the cue file is the information needed for your burning software to find the bin file. For example if you are using Nero , choose
-->File-->Burn image and then select "all files". Choose the cue file (which will tell Nero where the bin file is) and then once loaded you're ready to burn.

[LeGenDz]

Ok, after I have it ready to burn, what specific settings do I need to change? Is there somewhere on the website where they give step by step instructions?

[aldus4]

You don't change any settings apart from the speed you want to burn it. An image file already has the information how something has to be burnt, which directories, files etc. in it.

It's like ready meals....just add water (not to be taken literally

[vitualis]

People have reported some problems burning CUE/BIN images with Nero.

I would suggest that you get a copy of CDR-Win or Fireburner for burning CUE/BIN images.

Regards.

[aldus4]

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On 2001-07-23 22:06:39, vitualis wrote:
People have reported some problems burning CUE/BIN images with Nero.
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I can assure you Vitualis that they must be doing something wrong. All examples from this site, all bin/cue files made with VCDImagerGui work fine.

[LeGenDz]

Ok, I have the registered version of FireBurner 2.0 Beta 4. Should I just use that? Is it simple "plug & play" like Nero? Thanks for the help guys..

[aldus4]

Sorry - can't help you there. Have never used Fireburner.

[LeGenDz]

Ok, I'm going to go ahead and try it with Nero. I've already tried twice with FireBurner earlier without ANY luck.

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-23 22:09:27, aldus4 wrote:
I can assure you Vitualis that they must be doing something wrong. All examples from this site, all bin/cue files made with VCDImagerGui work fine.
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That may be true for you, but that doesn't mean that for some people, Nero creates problem discs. (e.g., for some people Nero + EZCD = problems which for others, both work fine).

LeGenDz, I personally use CDR-Win, but I presume that FireBurner should work in a similar way. There shouldn't be too many options to use. Just load up your CUE file and burn (you should always burn disc-at-once with a CUE/BIN file).

Regards.

_________________
Michael Tam

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[aldus4]

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On 2001-07-23 22:21:25, vitualis wrote:
That may be true for you, but that doesn't mean that for some people, Nero creates problem discs. (e.g., for some people Nero + EZCD = problems which for others, both work fine).
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Yes but if you go by that theory - which piece of software has never created problems for anyone? P.S. I actually was one of the unfortunate people who's system didn't work right when using Nero and EZCD - through asking around we now have a theory that you have to load EZCD before Nero...just for info.

[vitualis]

Okay.

What I mean then is that the problem of Nero not correctly burning BIN/CUE images has been reported often enough to be a concern (possibly a software bug).

People have very rarely complained of Fireburner or CDR-Win not correctly burning a CUE/BIN image.

Regards.

[LeGenDz]

Ok, I have it burned. I should be able to put it in my DVD player and it will play right?

[aldus4]

If your standalone DVD player plays the media type you have chosen to burn on and it will play VCD (SVCD) orwhatever you have chosen to download - YES!

[hvr]

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What I mean then is that the problem of Nero not correctly burning BIN/CUE images has been reported often enough to be a concern (possibly a software bug).
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btw, another why people might think their nero burned bin/cue VCD are ok is, that their playing device is tolerant enough...

it would be quite interesting to find out, what exactly get's messed up by nero, if the burned discs are bad... e.g. by reading them back to bin/cue's...

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People have very rarely complained of Fireburner or CDR-Win not correctly burning a CUE/BIN image.
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...and if they did, it was probably because they used a keygen key for CDRWin

btw, I wonder why cdrdao hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread...

[disturbed1]

Nero DOES NOT burn the bin cue files correctly. I did an experiment with NTSC demo disk. Here's the images for each

http://disturbed1.0catch.com/nero.gif Nero's
http://www.disturbed1.0catch.com/cdrwin.gif?50m=image CDRWIN's

Notice the the lba for track 3,4,5,6,7,8,9. In an early post I had suggested that Nero did not correctly put the 150 sector pregap, each LBA is off by 150.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: disturbed1 on 2001-07-24 04:59:01 ]</font>

[aldus4]

@disturbed1

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[disturbed1]

yeah, damn it.
http://www.disturbed1.0catch.com

click the links there

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[aldus4]

@disturbed1

Yeah, worked fine now

As for the differences - how odd! Out of curiosity which version of Nero (5.5.2.4?) did you use to burn the image files? Another odd thing was also that the total time was cut by 2 secs (something people have often reported).

[disturbed1]

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On 2001-07-24 06:17:13, aldus4 wrote:
@disturbed1
Out of curiosity which version of Nero (5.5.2.4?) did you use to burn the image files? Another odd thing was also that the total time was cut by 2 secs (something people have often reported).
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Yeah, 5.5.2.4 (not cracked, 5.0 came with my burner )

When HVR put out an SVCD demo disc, it wouldn't play when burnt with Nero. When I turned PBC off it would play but without menus and the extra stuff.

You say Nero and bin/cue's work fine for you. Have you tried that combo with the Demo disc's on HVR's site? Did they play OK for you?

The reason I ask is because I can use Nero if the bin is only a movie. But if I wanted to use menus, and entry points....., I have to use CDRWIN

FYI: I did choose burn image, and selected the cue file

[hvr]

yeah weird indeed...

it seems nero tries to set the TOC points exactly where the .cue file tells them to be, but not for the first 2 tracks, which are correct, but leaving all following ones in place... and thus being 150 sectors too early...

which means that track03 starts 150 sectors earlier than expected
since the end seems to be cut off as well, I assume that those 150 sectors are missing from the track02... which means,
that if you have the usual VCD with only 1 MPEG track, you may have 150 sectors missing there at the end (?)...

btw, to quote the original .cue file of that ntsc demovcd:
(total length 83477184 bytes in 2352 sectors, i.e. 35492 sectors)

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Code:</font><HR ></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><PRE>
FILE &quot;videocd.bin&quot; BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 04:19:38
TRACK 03 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 04:34:54
TRACK 04 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 05:15:36
TRACK 05 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 05:23:52
TRACK 06 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 05:31:68
TRACK 07 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 05:40:09
TRACK 08 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 05:57:38
TRACK 09 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 06:13:72
TRACK 10 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 06:29:67
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[aldus4]

@disturbed1

Am downloading the PAL demo (live in PAL country) as I type now. Shall keep you posted on what happens...

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-24 06:55:13, hvr wrote:

...which means that track03 starts 150 sectors earlier than expected
since the end seems to be cut off as well, I assume that those 150 sectors are missing from the track02... which means,
that if you have the usual VCD with only 1 MPEG track, you may have 150 sectors missing there at the end (?)...
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Ahh.....

This explains the mysterious "2-second" cropping problem people have reported in the forums. It's a Nero problem after all.

Regards.

[aldus4]

@disturbed1
@hvr

OK downloaded unzipped and tried to load the cue into Nero:

This is the report what was generated:

CD-Image
24.7.2001

22:00:30 #1 Phase 72 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1353
BURN-Proof activated

22:00:35 #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 133
Reader running

22:00:35 #3 WINPFILE 2 File winpfile.cpp, Line 265
The system cannot find the file specified.

videocdpal.bin

22:00:35 #4 WINPFILE 6 File winpfile.cpp, Line 386
The handle is invalid.

videocdpal.bin

22:00:35 #5 WINPFILE 2 File winpfile.cpp, Line 265
The system cannot find the file specified.

videocdpal.bin

22:00:35 #6 WINPFILE 6 File winpfile.cpp, Line 386
The handle is invalid.

videocdpal.bin

22:00:35 #7 WINPFILE 2 File winpfile.cpp, Line 265
The system cannot find the file specified.

videocdpal.bin

22:00:35 #8 WINPFILE 6 File winpfile.cpp, Line 386
The handle is invalid.

videocd.bin


I opened the cue/bin in CDMage - no faults were reported there. Either the bin/cue was to complex for Nero to handle or I'm overlooking something....just can't think what.


@vitualis

Will you report this bug to Nero? Would be nice if they would manage to fix it in their next update.

[LeGenDz]

I burnt the .cue file onto a CD-R and it wouldn't play in my DVD drive. Did I miss something?

[disturbed1]

aldus4>

Open the cue file with note pad, it should say

FILE "videocd.bin" BINARY
on the first line

You have to put the location of the file

FILE "F:\download\videocd.bin" BINARY

something like that.

<or videocdpal.bin>



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[aldus4]

@disturbed1

Thanks - God, some days you just forget to look for the obvious.

Anyhow, the bin/cue example was burnt without problems. Now to the interesting part(s). Put Example VCD in player and it worked.

However ran into a few problems:

- The "Def" button I couldn't find - but the "enter" or "stop" button did the same.
- The return button wouldn't work at all
- In Menu "Video Clips" under "Test Screens" I get 4 possibilities of which 3 are meant to be examples if clips. I presume because I downloaded the PAL demo version, I could only play No.3 PAL. Unfortunately non of them would play.

My Question now of course is - were these errors (if they are errors) created by Nero or my Standalone Player? I shall try this demo VCD in another player later today.

[hvr]

@aldus4,

...all 3 clips should be playable... (they are contained on both, NTSC and PAL demo)
...maybe you could try access the tracks by turning of PBC?

btw, do you have CDRWin installed? or any other tool capable of reading out the TOC of that burned vcd? if so, please compare it to the original .cue file contents... or alternatively burn that demovcd with a non-nero burning tool, and compare those 2 vcds...

(btw, the return to menu issue is a known one, caused by missing sequence headers before each GOP)

[disturbed1]

When I first sampled the SVCD demo (has Top Gun on it) the same problems you describe are what happened to me. Menus did display correctly, buttons were f'd up.
Turn off PBC, and it should play, but without the extra stuff.

Try CDRWIN with that same image. If you don't have it already, the demo allows 1x burning.

I did that without problems, got the full version now

CDRDAO will work too (free), make sure you have ASPI installed, or you'll get a BSD.

If you don't have ASPI, google search for Force ASPI. Adaptec won't let you install *their* ASPI unless you have a qualifing product.
They've also made their rounds at removing Force Asapi from websites for copyright issues. When you find, keep it.

[disturbed1]

I must type slow, 2 secs ago there wasn't a reply, at least we had the same thoughts