DVD SHRINK and menus!

[btvs2000]

Hi Guys

I am using dvd shrink to reauther the dvd, so that I just get the movie. I don't won't extra's, trailers and any of that rubbish. But what I would like is just the dvd menu screen and scene selection screen that you get with original dvds? How do i use dvd shrink to get just movie, original title screena dn scene selection?

Thanks

most welcome

[tompika]

Do not ReAuthor click on extras, ...you do not want to have and deselect the audios, subs and set still pictures

[ddlooping]

@ btvs2000,

In its present incarnation, DVD Shrink doesn't allow to keep the menu and main movie only.
As tompika suggested, you could use the "Still pictures" option on the titles you want to minimise the size of, and also delete their audio and subtitle streams.

[Kelso]

Using DVD Shrink to keep just the movie and menus....
What you are asking can be done.
I have done it many times.
BUT DVDShrink can not do it alone. it requires two programs.

DVDShrink and DVDXCOPY

Here is how to do it.


Start up DVDXCOPY. (DON'T worry you do not have to actually burn anything, or waste any DVD-R's)
DVDXcOPY will automatically figure out where to spilt the movie across two discs. It will show you what parts will be on each disc. You are not
concerned about where the movie will be split. All you need to make sure about is that all the extra stuff is going to be on the second disc. If DVDXCOPY tries to put the extra stuff on the first disc, just move it to the second disc.

So you should now have most of the movie in the first disc layout.
And the remaining part of the movie + extras in the second disc layout.

Start the copying.
DVDXCOPY will start to copy files for the first disc to your harddrive.
Once the first disc is ready to burn..... open up WINDOWS EXPLORER and go to where DVDXCOPY made the files for the first disc. COPY them to a safe location.

Exit DVDXCOPY.

Now why did we just do this? WELL. even though we told all the extras to go on the second disc, DVDXCOPY has to make dummy files to replace the files which will go onto the second disc. The files are absolutely tiny.. maybe 300KB.

Much smaller then telling Shrink to compress to STILL pictures can make.

These dummy files are just 1 second of black video, that take the place of the extras in question. Why are these dummy files made?---Well, if DVDXCOPY did not put these dummy files were not put on the first disc, the menu system would be corrupt.

FOR EXAMPLE on the DVD "APOLLO 13"
The extras are in...
VTS_01.0.IFO 54 KB
VTS_01.0.VOB 1,810 KB
VTS_01.1.VOB 1,048,544 KB
VTS_01.2.VOB 783,554 KB

So DVDXCOPY would take all that and make something like....
VTS_01.0.IFO 54 KB
VTS_01.0.VOB 1,810 KB
VTS_01.1.VOB 300 KB


Using DVDSrink V3 - to compress the same extras to STILL Pictures would make something like....
VTS_01.0.IFO 54 KB
VTS_01.0.VOB 1,810 KB
VTS_01.1.VOB 317,832 KB

As you can see, STill Pictures are 310MB !!! That is huge compared to the 300KB from DVDXCOPY.


So you need to note all the dummy files DVDXCOPY made. Total the size and write that number down.



NOW go into DVDShrink.
Load in the movie you want to shrink.
Do not do anything to the extras.. just leave them as is.
You want to adjust the compression on the main movie and menu so they alone are big enough to fit on a disc ALONG with the dummy files DVDXCOPY created.

Again using APOLLO 13 for an example...
(original size) Main movie + menu = 6,303 MB

After deselecting the french and spanish langauges from main move = 5,372 MB
and
After compressing the menu to 66% = 5,320 MB
and
After compressing the main movie to 77% = 4,336MB

That size + the dummy files created by DVDXCOPY will all fit onto one DVD-R.

(We do not compress the extras with DVDShrink, because we are going to replace them later.)


Now tell DVDShrink to backup the DVD.
It might warn you that the file size is to big, and will ask if you want to
proceed. Ignore the warning, and PROCEED !!

DVDShrink will back up the DVD to your harddrive.

When it is done, close the program.


Now, this is where it all comes together....
Copy the dummy extra files that DVDXCOPY made OVER-TOP of the EXTRAS files that DVDShrink made.

And that is it.
You now have a DVD-R backup of the main movie and menu compressed just the right amount to fit on the disc. If you had used the STILL PICTURE method, you would have had to compress the movie even more, thus lowering the quality.

And THIS way the menu stil has full function. If you click on an extra feature the DVD will play the 1 second black dummy file, then return you to the menu.

IT is SWEET !!!!


Hope this helps you.

[jawgee]

Nice tip, Kelso! Is this up as a guide on this site? If not, it should be!

Thanks,
jawgee

[Kelso]

No it is not been posted as a "guide". It is just something I figured out by myself. Maybe if I have some free time, I will re-write it a little better and make it into a guide.

[tompika]

If it really works make some nice screenshots(JPG,PNG,GIF) and post it to the guides!

[btvs2000]

Thanks guys! Really appreciate all the posts and the quickness of replys!

thanks again

Steve

[Kelso]

Here is the guide.
It is the first guide I have written, so I tried my best.

Follow this link to see the giude....
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175347

[Jevon]

Do you have to use 2 disks to do this? I'd like to have just the menu and a 2 hour movie on one disk. I wish shrink would add the option to re-author in Full disc mode. Great Guide! but seems like a lot of work and you still end up with 2 disks.

[Kelso]

Do you have to use 2 disks to do this? I'd like to have just the menu and a 2 hour movie on one disk. I wish shrink would add the option to re-author in Full disc mode. Great Guide! but seems like a lot of work and you still end up with 2 disks.

No it does not take 2 discs. It only takes ONE disc. The main part of this guide is that you use DVDShrink to compress the menus and movie to fit onto ONE disc.

If you read the guide......."""The movie + menu + the dummy files (created by DVDXCOPY) will now all fit onto one DVD-R.""" (key word there being "ONE")


What part of my guide made you think you would end up with two discs?
Maybe I should re-write that part to make it better?

[leebo]

Sounds smart, but I have two questions:

1. Will Nero give a file re-allocation error since the IFO's will expect the extras to run longer than 1 second?

2. Can you use DVD X Copy just once to make the dummy VOB's, and then save the dummy files for use in the next back-up so you don't waste time running DVD X Copy each time?

If the answer to number 2 is yes, maybe the dummy files could be posted so those of us w/o DVD X Copy could use them?

[Kelso]

Sounds smart, but I have two questions:

1. Will Nero give a file re-allocation error since the IFO's will expect the extras to run longer than 1 second?

2. Can you use DVD X Copy just once to make the dummy VOB's, and then save the dummy files for use in the next back-up so you don't waste time running DVD X Copy each time?

If the answer to number 2 is yes, maybe the dummy files could be posted so those of us w/o DVD X Copy could use them?

To answer your questions.....
1..NO. Nero will not give you an error. I use NERO to burn all my DVDs, and have never once recieved and error.

2..MAYBE. I have not tried it. But I do not see why it would not work.
If anyone tries it.... let us know !!!

[MackemX]

Sounds smart, but I have two questions:

1. Will Nero give a file re-allocation error since the IFO's will expect the extras to run longer than 1 second?

2. Can you use DVD X Copy just once to make the dummy VOB's, and then save the dummy files for use in the next back-up so you don't waste time running DVD X Copy each time?

If the answer to number 2 is yes, maybe the dummy files could be posted so those of us w/o DVD X Copy could use them?

just do it for free with IFOEdit

it takes seconds to replace a VTS of extras using this guide #5 HERE once you've done it a couple of times. It has the blank 12kb VTS_0x_01.VOB files in the guide

[Jevon]

Kelso Wrote:

What part of my guide made you think you would end up with two discs?
Maybe I should re-write that part to make it better?

Here's what made me think that you had to use 2 discs?

Kelso Wrote:

DVDXcOPY will automatically figure out where to spilt the movie across two discs. It will show you what parts will be on each disc. You are not
concerned about where the movie will be split. All you need to make sure about is that all the extra stuff is going to be on the second disc. If DVDXCOPY tries to put the extra stuff on the first disc, just move it to the second disc.

Maybe that's what got me. Thanks for clearing it up though. I'm still not sure if I'd go through all the trouble but It's nice to have that option.

Thanks Kelso

[leebo]

it takes seconds to replace a VTS of extras using this guide #5 HERE once you've done it a couple of times. It has the blank 12kb VTS_0x_01.VOB files in the guide

OK, but Kelso's guide above suggests you don't need to modify the IFO's. The guide you're directing us to says to use IFOEdit to re-mux the new VOB, and generate new IFO and BUP files.

Which is it?

[leebo]

"2. Can you use DVD X Copy just once to make the dummy VOB's, and then save the dummy files for use in the next back-up so you don't waste time running DVD X Copy each time?"

I see I was wrong. you DO need a new IFO and BUP.
Guess the above woulden't work.

[bigb_y2g]

Nice work man. Joined five days ago and already has a user guide posted

[bigb_y2g]

Kelso

I assume that if part of the main movie is put on the 2nd disk that you just move those VOB files to your working folder?

[Jimmykicker]

leebo Posted: Aug 27, 2003 00:55

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"2. Can you use DVD X Copy just once to make the dummy VOB's, and then save the dummy files for use in the next back-up so you don't waste time running DVD X Copy each time?"

I see I was wrong. you DO need a new IFO and BUP.
Guess the above woulden't work.

It seems like it would be possible based on the number of titles in the VTS. X Copy makes one dummy for each -- so you would just have to match them up...it would probably take the same amount of time as just srtipping VOB ID's (which I usually do...)

[leebo]

It seems like it would be possible based on the number of titles in the VTS. X Copy makes one dummy for each -- so you would just have to match them up...it would probably take the same amount of time as just srtipping VOB ID's (which I usually do...)

Yes, but you would loose the advantage of the extra space that Kelso's guide provides, no? Or can you sub the 18k VOB's and then strip the ID's for them?