Mac OS 9? Windows? What gives?

[ZeroSix]

I keep hearing of people using OS 9 and making OS 9 related suggestions and using PCs and making PC related suggestions.

Based upon my knowledge of multimedia production, including but not limited to DVD production, DVD extraction, DVD transcoding, VCD/SVCD creation, Audio conversion, ripping, downsampling, video editing, etc. there is not one single aspect that cannot be done on Mac OS X, and most of those areas can be accomplished using freeware material.

Is it because some users are more comfortable in a PC environment or OS 9 environment or is it because they just do not know of or how to use the OS X programs?

The main reason for my asking is because I completely abandoned OS 9 well over a year ago, and I completely abandoned Windows over 5 years ago and I am yet to encounter any type of video/audio related process that I simply cannot accomplish. I am just curious...

Feedback please.

[galactica]

there is not one single aspect that cannot be done on Mac OS X, and most of those areas can be accomplished using freeware material.

1. try ripping a pcm based dvd on OSX. you get nonsense and have to use DVD Extractor (OS9 only!)
2. how about IFO editing..... nothing that i know of

I noticed a lot of people with os9 related issues lately, which is odd, but the system is still strong for those in the art/design field.


either case, i think OSX is very powerful and hopefully one day there will be OSX equavilent of ISO edit and /or PCM support on dvd extractor.

until then........... its os9 and Virtual PC for IFOEdit sadly to say

[tgpo]

I didn't update to OS X until 10.1.3 came out.

I have OS 9 installed and had the disk for 10.0, but didn't like it. I couldn't do anything, nothing worked, I just didn't like it. So I stayed with OS 9 until I saw that tons of programs were being released and required X.1 or better. Once I found that 10.1 was a free upgrade I went a head and tried it, and now I don't even have OS 9 installed on my computer. I didn't upgrade because I had tried the early versions and thought that the following versions would be like those, but I was wrong.

[ZeroSix]

1. try ripping a pcm based dvd on OSX. you get nonsense and have to use DVD Extractor (OS9 only!)
2. how about IFO editing..... nothing that i know of

If you need .IFO files to be generated, can't you just use Sizzle? And if you need to edit them, Ross has a way on his site using HexEdit.

As for PCM audio, I guess i do not have any DVDs that have PCM audio, but what do yo uget if you use 0SEX, either ripping to elementary stream or to program stream?

[Dennis1968]

Just an opinion,

programers for Mac are having trouble interfacing there shareware/ freeware with OS X. some have crossed over.

for Windows, easier to programe. doe snot mean that it is a better OS

[galactica]

1. try ripping a pcm based dvd on OSX. you get nonsense and have to use DVD Extractor (OS9 only!)
2. how about IFO editing..... nothing that i know of

If you need .IFO files to be generated, can't you just use Sizzle? And if you need to edit them, Ross has a way on his site using HexEdit.

As for PCM audio, I guess i do not have any DVDs that have PCM audio, but what do yo uget if you use 0SEX, either ripping to elementary stream or to program stream?

Huh, so i can edit .IFO 's and .BUP's to say remove region coding? (see my post on dvdbackup not removing region coding.) if so, i had no clue.

per the PCM, for me it just crashed the extractors both DVDBackup and OSeX. PCM to .aiff then run back into osx and and do my demuxing and work in DVSSP.

if you know of an easier way.... let me know.

also see ps2daddy's post recent post. he does the same thing

[ps2daddy]

Well for me I just use whatever it takes to get the job done.

For example I was trying to fit 2 iDVD projects on to one disk.

After I used DVD2onex to compress it I wanted to use DVD studio pro to combine the segments and the first program that came to my mind was DVD extractor.

After I extracted the files the .mv2 and .pcm I went back to OS X to use DVD Studio Pro and it did not understand my .pcm file.

I preformed a google search for a program to convert .pcm to .aiff using a mac and the first program I ran across was pcmtoaiff.

When I tried to run pcmtoaiff it wanted to run in classic mode.
So I went back to os to use this program.

Then I went back to OS X to use DVD Studio Pro

I just used what was available and easiest for me to use get the task at hand done I never gave a thought to which OS it operated in I just focused on I need to get the job done and quickly.

I use a mac for 90% of everything that I do at home net surfing, video editing, backing up my movies, ps2 games, and creating multimedia presentations.

However , when I download big files I like to use my wifes PC at home because it downloads large files faster than my mac. (I could try to optimize my TCP IP network settings I dont want to take the time)

I just use the peice of equipement that I am most comfortable with and/or gets the job done the with the minimal amount of effort.

Time is a precious thing

[ps2daddy]

I am running OS X 10.2.5 and I am still having a hard time trying to get the OSX versions of my x-box programs to function properly.
(might have to use my wifes silly pc again )

I think OSX is very cool though

[ps2daddy]

I am running OS X 10.2.5 and I am still having a hard time trying to get the OSX versions of my x-box programs to function properly.
(might have to use my wifes silly pc again )

I think OSX is very cool though

Got the xbox image making stuff down so I can backup my originals to the xbox harddrive or dvd-r now.

You have to type in the directories to where you want stuff to go finally figured that stuff out now.

[galactica]

Great! glad you got that up. Didnt kia and co have an xbox app for backing up xbox disks. I go to thier site and nothing about that anymore. oh well


Still.... back to the topic...

Im waiting to see the OSX equal to IFO EDIT its such a small programs surely someone is up to the challenge.
I wouldnt even know how to even think about beginning to write an app, so i guess ill just have to wait and use my VPC.

[ps2daddy]

Great! glad you got that up. Didnt kia and co have an xbox app for backing up xbox disks. I go to thier site and nothing about that anymore. oh well


Still.... back to the topic...

Im waiting to see the OSX equal to IFO EDIT its such a small programs surely someone is up to the challenge.
I wouldnt even know how to even think about beginning to write an app, so i guess ill just have to wait and use my VPC.

I went to www.xbox-scene.com

They have a mac osx xbox tutorial

You have to send the files via ftp and then make an iso that is xbox format compatible then burn using toast.
(I had a problem making the xbox compatible iso)

I bought 2 broken xboxes and I am going to repair it and chip it and then try backing up some of my games that I get for it.

The PS2 is sooooooooo much simpler

[lessthanbake]

ps2daddy could you u give me link to where i can acquire these programs for the Xbox. I just got an Xbox and I want to put a new HD in it and i kno that i have to put a new BIOS and dashboard before i install the new HD but i have no clue on how to install the BIOS and put a new dashboard in, any suggestions or links? Any help is appreciated.


Thanks

[ps2daddy]

ps2daddy could you u give me link to where i can acquire these programs for the Xbox. I just got an Xbox and I want to put a new HD in it and i kno that i have to put a new BIOS and dashboard before i install the new HD but i have no clue on how to install the BIOS and put a new dashboard in, any suggestions or links? Any help is appreciated.


Thanks

www.xbox-scene.com

look at the faqs and tutorials on that page and the mac tools are there also

[funkguy4]

Windows not better or worse, just different advantages/disadvantages:

Advantages:
Easier to program for it
More programs available for it
Better GUI (opinionated of course)
Almost 100% backwards compatible even with XP
More games are made for it ( )
More people have it, so getting free support for it is easier
The platform it mainly runs on is more easily overclockable ( )
It looks cooler, and putting your pointer on a certain part of the screen doesnt bring up your screen saver.
Prints to Winprinters.

Disadvantages:
More easily corrupted
Less stable
Slower (although it's catchin' up with the newer hardware)
More people are dissin' it ( )
There are so many things going on at once that it's hard to parse the source of a problem
Blue screen of Death
It's made by the biggest jerk in the world
Registry-based
Eats more CPU time on it's own

[galactica]

Windows not better or worse, just different advantages/disadvantages:

Advantages:
Better GUI (opinionated of course)

Really, you ever use 10.2? or even 10.3?? Ive had hard core system administrators come to my house and they have all been amazed at the GUI 10.2 has.

Almost 100% backwards compatible even with XP
It looks cooler, and putting your pointer on a certain part of the screen doesnt bring up your screen saver.

This is an option you have to turn ON! you know. its not out of the box like this. and it can be turned off.

[funkguy4]

[quote="galactica"]

Windows not better or worse, just different advantages/disadvantages:

Really, you ever use 10.2? or even 10.3?? Ive had hard core system administrators come to my house and they have all been amazed at the GUI 10.2 has.

Yeah, I've used it, it looks like a cheap ripoff of the Windows GUI. Why didn't Xerox exercise their copyrights on the idea of a GUI back when they made it first?

Almost 100% backwards compatible even with XP
It looks cooler, and putting your pointer on a certain part of the screen doesnt bring up your screen saver.

This is an option you have to turn ON! you know. its not out of the box like this. and it can be turned off.

IThat screen saver thingy is a crappy feature.

[galactica]

So whats a PC user like yourself doing wandering around and posting in a Mac Forum. You must have some interest then, otherwise you would never even consider clicking that "Mac Video Forum" link.

by the way, dont post PC answers to mac realted video questions. Thats not going to fly in this foum.

[bilestyle]

COPY OFF OF WINBLOZE???? ARE YOU KIDDING? for you info 10.0 came out BEFORE Xpee, and a cheap rip off??? you are insane the interface is 100x better designed and more elegant, rip off of XP thats a LAUGH, everyone who has half a brain (and has done a little research) KNOWS that the GUI interface (while originally LEGITIMATELY acquired from xerox by apple) was ripped off from apple by micro$loth b4 macs hit the market (watch pirates of silicon valley, seems as though you have but you only take in the parts you want) and XP looks like it was drawn by a retarded monkey with crayons, i cant believe you have the audacity/stupidity to EVER say ANY mac idea was on windows first... should we start with say the TRASH CAN, did winbloze 3.1 have a trash can?? hmmmmm.. wait you probably dont know cuz you follow the flock and probably arent old enough to remeber 3.1, "everyone uses peecees so they're better right!!?!" keep tellin yourself that, whatever makes you sleep better at night with an inferior computer/os. I mean there are more ants and insects on this planet then humans so they are better and smarter right? what a GREAT argument.

[tgpo]

IThat screen saver thingy is a crappy feature.

I love that feature. I use it all the time at home and work.

[ZeroSix]

Thanks for hijacking my thread.

[galactica]

Yea, whats with these PC users who wander their way into here. What is it that crosses thier minds to say "Gee, ill think ill go into the mac forum and post some replies."

it just doesnt make any sense to me. You dont us posting replies in the other posts where someone asks "how can I convert mpeg to .avi" and we say 'well im on a Mac (which by the way is better than a pc) and this is how I would do it.....'


Jeeze!

[tgpo]

Yea, whats with these PC users who wander their way into here. What is it that crosses thier minds to say "Gee, ill think ill go into the mac forum and post some replies."

it just doesnt make any sense to me. You dont us posting replies in the other posts where someone asks "how can I convert mpeg to .avi" and we say 'well im on a Mac (which by the way is better than a pc) and this is how I would do it.....'

I use to understand it. The main page didn't distinguage between mac/pc articles, but now that it does, there should no longer be 'accidental' PC replies.

[funkguy4]

COPY OFF OF WINBLOZE???? ARE YOU KIDDING? for you info 10.0 came out BEFORE Xpee, and a cheap rip off??? you are insane the interface is 100x better designed and more elegant, rip off of XP thats a LAUGH, everyone who has half a brain (and has done a little research) KNOWS that the GUI interface (while originally LEGITIMATELY acquired from xerox by apple) was ripped off from apple by micro$loth b4 macs hit the market (watch pirates of silicon valley, seems as though you have but you only take in the parts you want) and XP looks like it was drawn by a retarded monkey with crayons, i cant believe you have the audacity/stupidity to EVER say ANY mac idea was on windows first... should we start with say the TRASH CAN, did winbloze 3.1 have a trash can?? hmmmmm.. wait you probably dont know cuz you follow the flock and probably arent old enough to remeber 3.1, "everyone uses peecees so they're better right!!?!" keep tellin yourself that, whatever makes you sleep better at night with an inferior computer/os. I mean there are more ants and insects on this planet then humans so they are better and smarter right? what a GREAT argument.

Look, I know windoze sucks, but until the Macs have more software, I'm stickin' with it. I'm thinkin' about going to Linux with Wine also, and I am old enough to remember Win3.1. Windows doesn't have a Trash Can, it has a Recycle Bin . Anyways, I found myself here by clicking latest posts. Whats funny is Microsoft won't write anything for the RISC platform.......DAMNIT I wish they would.

I just want to know if Macs are overclockable.....:P

[galactica]

Look, I know windoze sucks, but until the Macs have more software, I'm stickin' with it.

what kind of apps are you talking about here. Whats soooo PC only, that there isnt a mac app that does the same thing??

I just want to know if Macs are overclockable.....:P

Yep, they are! ( http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/G4YIKESOC/ )

[funkguy4]

Look, I know windoze sucks, but until the Macs have more software, I'm stickin' with it.

what kind of apps are you talking about here. Whats soooo PC only, that there isnt a mac app that does the same thing??

Games!

I just want to know if Macs are overclockable.....:P

Yep, they are! ( http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/G4YIKESOC/ )

Kewl!

[lordsmurf]

If own PCs and use a friend's Mac G4 OS9. My observations, and his, are that PC software is easier to come by and does more, at this moment. In the earlier days of video, our roles were reversed. He needs OSX, but has reasons to not get it. Not everybody has X. That's why he has VPC 5 on his OS9. Does the job. Best of both worlds. I'd give lists and lists of examples, but I need to go. More important things to do.

[galactica]

Games!

Ill give you that. Most of the "main stream" games are for both. Usually you just have to wait a few more months from when its released. All in all, if your sole purpose in life is to sit and play video games, then I agree, a PC is the way to go.

I dont find it a limiting factor though, since I dont play many games, and the ones I do are out for both.

[funkguy4]

Games!

Ill give you that. Most of the "main stream" games are for both. Usually you just have to wait a few more months from when its released. All in all, if your sole purpose in life is to sit and play video games, then I agree, a PC is the way to go.

I dont find it a limiting factor though, since I dont play many games, and the ones I do are out for both.

There's a lot that aren't out for both, and I play them. Does Half-life have a Mac counterpart? Oh yeah, the Mac hasn't made very good use of the right-mouse button, and that is probably one of the most nnoying things. I don't know if OS X does thouugh.

[galactica]

Oh yeah, the Mac hasn't made very good use of the right-mouse button, and that is probably one of the most nnoying things. I don't know if OS X does thouugh.

NOT TRUE!
Even in OS9 could you use a right button mouse, you would just have to get one (since they come with the single button mouse when you buy them)

I had right click with a 3 button mouse in OS9. In OSX its the same thing, right click supported with a right click mouse. (If you dont have one you just Control - click) to get the menu, but id say most mac users have a right button mouse.

Half life - there is a "mini-version" for OSX. The Half-Life 2 game is due out for OSX soon, and I think that is sparking the creation of the Half-life 1 creation for mac also. (this is one of the games that has taken FOREVER!!!!!!!!!! so ill agree with you on that one)

[funkguy4]

Oh yeah, the Mac hasn't made very good use of the right-mouse button, and that is probably one of the most nnoying things. I don't know if OS X does thouugh.

NOT TRUE!
Even in OS9 could you use a right button mouse, you would just have to get one (since they come with the single button mouse when you buy them)

I had right click with a 3 button mouse in OS9. In OSX its the same thing, right click supported with a right click mouse. (If you dont have one you just Control - click) to get the menu, but id say most mac users have a right button mouse.

Half life - there is a "mini-version" for OSX. The Half-Life 2 game is due out for OSX soon, and I think that is sparking the creation of the Half-life 1 creation for mac also. (this is one of the games that has taken FOREVER!!!!!!!!!! so ill agree with you on that one)

When I used the right mouse button, all it did for me back in the day was to hold a drop-down menu open without having to hold the mouse down. I'd like to see some benchmarks of a high-end PC with your ultra-powerful-lookin' Mac.