Capturing to DVD-R/RW or -RAM with ATI A-I-W Radeon?

[DereX888]

Instead of capturing on my HDD first, making then separate authoring job, and burning it finally - I'd like to "record" from my capture card (ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon with on-the-fly MPEG-2 encoding) directly to DVD-R/RW. Is there any software that does it in real time?
Since standalone recorders like Panasonic models do record on the fly onto DVD-R/RW discs, it shouldn't be hard to make software that does it on a PC, right?

(WinDVD Recorder supposedly does it, but it doesnt work with ATI A-I-W Radeon, nor with my LG GMA-4020B writer).


I don't wanna play cat and mouse with all of the software out there trying out trial versions etc.
Anyone have some already tested solutions?
TIA

[andkiich]

As far as I know, there is no way around the multiple step approach on the PC. You will have to, at a minimum:

1. Capture the source to MPEG-2
2. Use an authoring program to create the VOB, BUP, IFO files
3. Burn them to a DVD-R/RW with a burning program that creates DVD compliant.

[DereX888]

andliich wrote:

As far as I know, there is no way around the multiple step approach on the PC.

Since standalone recorder does it all on-the-fly, and it is so 'stupid' piece hardware, why it won't be possible to emulate this process by software on a much smarter and more configurable device as PC?

As I wrote earlier: WinDVD Recorder supposedly does it, but I wasn't able to test it due to lack of support for my burner and capture card. Perhaps someone more knowleadgeable could shed some light here on the subject how is WinDVD Recorder capturing directly to DVD-R/RW?

[MachineMan]

Yes, Im also interested in how this can be done. However Ive only seen it described in a multi-step process on this forum.

[jdizzy40]

WIN DVD Recorder works fine with my AIW 85ooDV and AIW 9700 Pro. On rare ocassions will I use it to burn directly to DVD. It fills up very fast even for a half hour show with a setting of 1/2 DVD. Having the capability is nice but not practical.

[taz291819]

I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I thought that DVD+RW were the only burners capable of doing this. I think it is called DVD+VR. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but do so without starting another -R vs +R flame war.

[jdizzy40]

You may be right. I have a dual format sony DRU500A and AX and I have only written to a DVD+RW with WIN DVD Recorder. I have never used a DVD-RW. I'll have to try, but first need to buy some - RW media.

[DereX888]

taz291819 wrote:

I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I thought that DVD+RW were the only burners capable of doing this. I think it is called DVD+VR.

Panasonic standalone DVD recorder (DMR E50 or E30 - doesn't matter anyway) writes to DVD-R (the "minus" R). AFAIK most of standalone recorders use either DVD-RAM (older models) or DVD-R formats.
The discs created with those standalone recorders are STANDARD DVD-Video on DVD-R, not "-VR/+VR", their structure consists of VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders, with all regular .VOB files there. Such discs are playable on any standalone dvd players.

I see no reason why it couldnt be done on a PC?


BTW - Perhaps you were thinking about DVD-RAM discs, where there are no .VOBs but .VRO files, in sizes exceeding 1GB (up to 4GB single file). These discs are playable only on a recorders themself.

[oldfart13]

Lotsa standalones use "+" formats. Check under Apex (available at Sears USA) and Philips. The New Sony standalone does -R/W and +RW. Panasonic and Samsung use -R and RAM. Almost all others use either "+" or "-" formats. For a list, check here:

http://www.1-877camcorder.com/video-dvd-recorders.html

[oldfart13]

DVD RAM can be played in most Panasonic DVD players. Also, there are a few DVD ROM drives that support the format. Do a search here for the computer drives and at avsforum for the standalones...

[presto]

NeoDVD claims to allow you to record directly to DVD.

[taz291819]

From what I've read about DVD+VR, is that it allows two things. One, you can record video directly to a dvd+rw. Second, any disc you have authored, you can go back and change things, like discs menus, graphics, video, without having to re-author the entire disc. Just change what you want. I have a DVD+R/RW recorder, but haven't tried this feature yet, so I cannot "vouch" for this.

[next]

http://www.mydvd.com/default.asp

Sonic MyDVD 4 claims to offer direct to disk recording. Go to the FAQ's for the product and read the 7th question down.

[DereX888]

oldfart13 wrote:

DVD RAM can be played in most Panasonic DVD players. Also, there are a few DVD ROM drives that support the format. Do a search here for the computer drives and at avsforum for the standalones...

yes, only Panasonic players or standalone recorders (and a handful of other Matsushita-make models) can play or record video directly to DVD-RAM. Lots of DVD-ROMs can read DVD-RAM discs though. Well, I know that, I aggree with you, and I understand that.
What I don't understand is what and how it should help with recording video in real-time on a computer from capture card directly to dvd-writer using DVD-R format blank medias - by searching more about DVD-RAM format compatible players or writers? What am I missing here?



taz291819 wrote:

From what I've read about DVD+VR, is that it allows two things. One, you can record video directly to a dvd+rw. Second, any disc you have authored, you can go back and change things, like discs menus, graphics, video, without having to re-author the entire disc. Just change what you want.

This can be achieved by not finalizing DVD-/+RW disc, therefore you could edit any part of such disc on your computer at any moment. But how many standalone players could play it? Probably very very few.
Im guessing DVD+VR format is based on such concept, and it must obviously utilize +RW discs (as there is no separate +VR disc formats),
hence I dont think you will be able to play such +VR disc on anything else than the writers themself. Correct me if Im wrong (I have to read about this +VR yet, so all Im writing ATM is just my guessing only).


taz291819 wrote:

I have a DVD+R/RW recorder, but haven't tried this feature yet, so I cannot "vouch" for this.

Please try it, and let us know how did it go?
Was your +VR disc playable on anything else beside your writer, is editing of such disc possible in the way you described it, etc etc
Im very curious.



Thank you to all posters for your help and suggestions, but it seems not one of you actually did it yet and it comes back to what I tried to avoid by asking in this forum - testing bunch of programs myself again
Perhaps if NeoDVD or MyDVD, or anything else I may find - if it works the way I need (as in my original post of this thread) I will post my results here.

[jdizzy40]

Then I guess you didn't read my post. Both my ATI AIW cards record directly to DVD through WIn DVD Recorder. Would you like me to send you a short AVI showing it in action?

[DereX888]

jdizzy40 wrote:

Then I guess you didn't read my post. Both my ATI AIW cards record directly to DVD through WIn DVD Recorder.

I read it. Of course.
I was asking about recording to -R/RW, not +R/RW.
I dont have Sony DRU 500 since February, as I wrote: Im using LG 4020B now (-R/RW, -RAM), and WinDVD Recorder doesn't support it (I tested trial after your post actually).

[MOVIEGEEK]

@DereX888,
Yes there are programs that will allow you to burn on-the-fly.Sonic MyDVD($79USD) and Ulead MovieFactory2($50) are two that come to mind,I recommend MF2 as it will output MP2 audio and it supports DVD-VR(RAM).

[lordsmurf]

I was asking about recording to -R/RW, not +R/RW.

There's no difference.

[icarusi]

This can be achieved by not finalizing DVD-/+RW disc, therefore you could edit any part of such disc on your computer at any moment. But how many standalone players could play it? Probably very very few.
Im guessing DVD+VR format is based on such concept, and it must obviously utilize +RW discs (as there is no separate +VR disc formats),
hence I dont think you will be able to play such +VR disc on anything else than the writers themself. Correct me if Im wrong (I have to read about this +VR yet, so all Im writing ATM is just my guessing only).

You can definitely play a +RW disk made in Philips DVDR (AFAIK VR format) on most DVD players without any finalizing stage. Some of the older Wharfedales can't 'see' the +RW, but a more recent Bush 2023 and Mirror 110 players see them OK.

Icarusi

[Nelson37]

Have not tried it yet, but will soon. Have Sonic MyDVD, states it can record on-the-fly.

The "V" format appears to be a way to basically create chapter points or something similar, around edit marks. No real cutting occurs, just a modification of the playback. As I read the docs, this only works on +RW, but the on-the-fly recording will use any disk. I will report on results.

[Nelson37]

I have good news and bad news.

Sonic MyDVD 4.5 will capture and record to ANY disk, including miniDVD on CD, +-R, and +- RW.

However, the video is first captured to the Hard Drive and then authored to the disk in a second step. It is NOT captured directly to the disk.

[DereX888]

@MOVIEGEEK
I will try Ulead's MF2 soon (I tested first MF before and I wasn't too thrilled about it at all); however capturing to DVD-RAM is not what I'm after (I could use standalone Panasonic DVD-RAM recorder for that).

@lordsmurf

DereX888 wrote:
I was asking about recording to -R/RW, not +R/RW.


There's no difference.

I don't want to be mean - but perhaps you should do some reading on the subject first before posting any replies? Unless ofcorse youre just adding digits to your posts number...
And to explain one of the the MAJOR differences (so you won't make fool of yourself again): -R/RW does not support that nifty feature of +R/RW which is DVD+VR


@Icarusi
Yes, with +R/RW discs, but not with -R/RW discs (and "-" is the format I start this thread and ask about, hello!)


@Nelson37
exactly, I too tested MyDVD, NeoDVD etc etc progs previous posters suggested - they all record to HDD first and are not capable of writing to -R/RW discs directly



So far it seems that currently available software use only +R/RW formats for capturing to DVD disc directly (in DVD+VR format), but I refuse to believe its not possible to capture on a PC directly to DVD-R/RW since there are many of standalone dvd recorders that are recording to DVD-R/RW discs! So why the same can't be done on a PC?


My question still remains open ( please read first post of this thread before making comments or replies!! This thread is NOT about capturing to DVD+VR and it is NOT about DVD+R/RW at all)