Can a High Qual. DVD of 10/15 min. be put on a CD (720x480)

[TheGr8Steve]

I've been looking for answers to this one and the closest thing I could find is a 'Poll' that basically sticks to VCDs and the other info doesn't help me.
I'm a musician and I want to make DVD "Singles". It seems feasible to me that you should be able to make a high quality DVD that will only last about 10 or 15 minutes on a CD and that this CD would play in any DVD player at regular DVD settings.
I'm fairly new to making anything on a computer. I've already tried to make one, but I can't get the CD to actually burn with DVD settings. This may be due to something I'm ignorant about, but in my mind, it should be an easy project.
Now, I'm not talking about compressing the signal any more than I have to. I would like 720x480 NTSC Resolution with as high a VBR as I can attain. 5.1 sound, the whole bit.
Can anybody fill me in? Or point me to the answer at this site? ( I've already gone through 10 pages and haven't seen my question yet.)
I did not mention the DVD program I was using because the actual burners I've used up until now, were the free 30 day trials from Ulead. I did encode the videos I tried with TMPGEnc and Authored them with TMPGEnc DVD author. but I had to try to burn with the Ulead freebies. I barely aquired Vegas 4.0 + DVD but it will be a while before I figure it out.
Thank you.

[j1d10t]

What you are talking about is a CDVD, or MiniDVD. Not many DVD players will play them - in fact I think I remember reading that only about 1 percent of DVD players will play a MiniDVD. Your best bet is to make an SVCD, or an XSVCD.

[Xesdeeni]

In addition to the basic support of DVD content on CD, there is also the question of the data rate. Data on a DVD is recorded at about 3x the density as a CD. Also, a DVD's 1x spin speed is about 3x a CD's 1x spin speed. So the DVD data rate from a DVD at 1x is about 9x a CD.

The problem is that most DVD players are designed for just 1x DVD speed, or about 3x CD speed. But for the CD to provide DVD data at the 1x rate, the CD needs to spin at least at 9x.

My DVD player can't handle miniDVD/cDVDs, but I have found that it can deal with 720x480, DVD-compliant MPEGs when I put them on an xSVCD formatted CD (telling Nero to ignore standard compliance). However, if the data rate exceeds about 3x (3.5Mbps), the player can't keep up.

Also, many DVD players won't play SVCDs at all, not to mention xSVCDs. For your best chance of compatible DVD "singles," you're probably going to be better off either committing to a full DVD or using one of the 8cm DVDs. I assume you asked about CD distribution because of the cost, so sub-$1 DVD-Rs are probably your absolute best bet (8cm DVDs cost more). Also, you'll get the added benefit of auto-play from a DVD.

Xesdeeni

[TheGr8Steve]

Thank you, Xesdeeni, I see I still have a lot to learn. I also need to look into those sub-$1.00 DVDs you mentioned. I'm still shelling out almost $3. apiece for the ones that I've used so far. Yes... cost was the factor and it seemed reasonable to me that it would be possible to do, but it would have been a while before I realized I was wasting my time. So thanks again. ( you're not the only one.....xesdeeni too!)

[Vejita-sama]

Actually 1x DVD = 1350kb/s vs. CD 1x = 150kb/s, so that's 9x faster!

You best bet is to make xVCDs as more standalones support VCD then SVCD. But for best compatability think about a DVDR drive (~$180 US). Media is still going for about $0.70/ea too.

If you decide to make xVCDs I'd recommend:

352x480 MPEG1 CBR encodes
Video = 2520kbit/s
Audio = 224kbit/s

That's at the max supported bitrate for SVCDs (which most standalones can play without skipping), and full vertical (NTSC) resolution.

[TheGr8Steve]

To Vejita-sama, I think you mis-understood my original question. I wanted to make an actual DVD on a CD with a total length of approx. 10 to 15 minutes Max. I just assumed that a DVD holds 4.7 Ghz and that a CD holds 0.7 Ghz. My reasoning was: the only difference was the amount of information either disk can hold. I thought that DVDs needed to be recorded at a slow speed because of the amount of Video information. I didn't realize that they spin and play/record at different rates. I thank you for you input though. I've tried to make XVCDs, but my Toshiba SD-1800 hasn't played one yet. (according to a list at this site, I should be able to if the kb/s is near 2700, if I remember correctly

[Xesdeeni]

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Xesdeeni

[TheGr8Steve]

That would be -R. I have a Pioneer DVR-A05 DVD-R/RW. I'll be honest, the 1st DVD-R I made was only last March. So I'm only on my 3rd set of 10. The 1st batch was Maxell 2X. The 2nd Batch was Sony 1X. The 3rd batch is TDK 2X. (which I haven't opened yet.) All purchased from local stores. (they were on sale, but only the Sony's were under $3. each.) I'm still a novice, but I'm learning quick. I actually did want to make very short Music videos with as good a quality as I could attain. They have to work on almost all DVD players. The thought of making a 10/15 minute video on a DVD and wasting the rest of that space will annoy the hell out of me. If I can get them cheap enough, it won't matter. I'm just one of those guy's that can't leave blank space on a video tape or I feel like I'm throwing away valuable tape. (Conditioning from my extremely poor days) I hadn't really searched for any really good and inexpensive DVDs yet as I won't be ready for probably a few more months anyway. (I have to make sure I know what I'm doing and feel confident about it.)
Thank you once again for your input.

[Viper10000]

TheGr8Steve,

The direct answer to your original question "Can a High Qual. DVD of 10/15 min. be put on a CD ?" is Yes. The 2 IfoEdit guides ("Ifoedit DVD Authoring" and "How to author & burn a DVD from VOB trailers/files"), from this Web site show that you can author a mini-DVD.

In fact, I follows the 2nd guide ("How to author & burn a DVD from VOB trailers/files"), and successfully create trailers from various DVDs to a mini-DVD. I then create a Video_TS directory, put all the files that IFOEdit creates, and burn this directory to a CD (just like burn a directory of data file). To my lovely surprise, this CD (i.e. mini-DVD) plays fine on my 3 Chinese made standalone DVD players, but it fails to play on my Sony DVD player.

Just a note, the 3 standalone DVD players that play this mini-DVD are: APEX 1500, SAMPO 611, and a Yamakawa)

[TheGr8Steve]

Thank you for your reply. Since I posted this question, I've learned what a Mini-DVD and CDV are. I'd seen the terms before but never equated them with a CD. There's so many things at this site, that I can't read everything at once.
If there are only a few DVD players that can play them, then that format is useless to me. This was not for my personal collection but rather it was for promoting my band as inexpensively as possible. That means I need the Mini-DVDs to work in all machines. They really should work anyway. There's lots of small projects that would look excellent and it would be inexpensive. I like High Quality, but I don't want to have to use a real DVD for 10 minutes of video. I guess I have no choice.
Thanks again, everyone. (sorry, VCD quality is not good enough for me and the other settings are too rare.)