dvdshrink backup will not play on standalone

[txpharoah]

I'm a bit lost as to why this is happening.

1. It's not the player. I have a Toshiba 2800 which plays almost any DVD-R or DVD+R disc. I feed it DVD-Rs all the time from DVDXCopy and DVD2One. Same for discs I author myself.

2. It's not the authoring/burning program. I use DVDit! PE for authoring, so the authoring mode is just fine. It loads the DVD folder.

3. It's not bad folder structure. I have a VIDEO_TS folder and AUDIO_TS folder. Files are in VIDEO_TS as they should be.

The problem may be DVD shrink's output. I'm not sure the DVDshrink output data is being written properly. All I run are DVDshrink to get the DVD and then DVDit! PE to author the folder set.

Anybody else have this problem?

I was backing up LOTR. Both the first and last discs of LOTR: extended edition movie only play in my other players. On disc one I cut out the AC3 six-channel. On disc two I cut out the DTS and two commentary tracks and left the AC3-six alone. I know a lot about video and quite a few other thing, but get lost as heck trying to decipher the IFO files.

Does DVDshrink do something abnormal?
I don't want to go back to DVD2One, but I rarely backup DVDs as it is, not wanting to hassle with it too much. I like this program, I'm just not liking its success rate so far.

ANY IDEAS ARE APPRECIATED AND SUGGESTIONS WILL BE TRIED. THANKS. I'll post results too.

[dhluke]

"All I run are DVDshrink to get the DVD and then DVDit! PE to author the folder set."

Why do you author the output of DVDShrink when the output only needs to be burn? I have done quite a few back-ups with DVDShrink and I just simply burn the output to a DVDr, with the compatible folders of course.

dhluke

[txpharoah]

I don't re-author.

I use DVDit! PE as the burning program.

DVDit! can burn discs better than Nero and RecordNow Max. Better referring to compliancy of number of players it will play in. I have a 100% success rate with DVDit! as opposed to about 90% with Recordnow and 60% with Nero.

It does not re-author. It burns the folders onto disc in compliant DVD format. Yes, it was made to author discs and setup menus and all. But the "burn-a-DVD-folder-at-any-time-after-authoring" function works well too. And that is all I do with it for the DVDshrink backup method.

Pretent I used Nero or Recordnow Max instead of DVDit!
Same question: disc will not play back in my best standalone that will play everything else burned. It is only this DVDshrink output that refuses to cooperate.

[Bob W]

Never had that problem with DVDshrink. All my discs play on the three players I have at home.

Maybe try using DVDX Copy Xpress or DVD95 which works great for me.

[tgferg67]

I also have some of comaptibility problems when I process a movie through DVDShrink. For some reason if I process the movie through DVDToolbox it fixes the bad IFO's and creates a fully compatible backup that plays in anything.

[Bob W]

I also have some of comaptibility problems when I process a movie through DVDShrink. For some reason if I process the movie through DVDToolbox it fixes the bad IFO's and creates a fully compatible backup that plays in anything.

Where does one get this DVDToolbox?

[Baldrick]

http://www.plenert.net/DVDToolbox/Files/DVDToolbox.exe

http://www.plenert.net/DVDToolbox/index_en.htm

[txpharoah]

I've changed my mind. DVDshrink blows a big one. My movie shakes, and it still won't play on my good standalone (output errors from the dvdshrink software, not something else).

Nice try guys (dvdshrink authors). Maybe next time. I really liked the interface and options, but quality matters, and this wasn't providing it.

I'm going back to DVD2One or DVDXcopy. I know those won't make crappy quality output and that it will play on my players.

[KSP_RobRoy]

before putting dvd shrink in the trashbin

try making an Image of the movie before burning, use ImgTool to make an image file of the movie, then burn with DVD Decrypter.

What i have understood this is the best method for problem-free disks

[txpharoah]

I'd love to try all that, but the point of a program like this is to make copying easy. It hasn't done so yet. I know DVD2One and DVDxcopy work, so I'll stay with them until DVDshrink gets an update (it was afterall, the first version).

[KSP_RobRoy]

it isn't really hard just 1 more step

Take what DVD Shrink produces and make an Image file of it, takes approx 10 minutes, and then use DVD Dectrypter instead of your burning program..

..worth trying

[ember]

I made a backup for a friend. It works perfectly on mine but doesn't on their player. I used DVDShrink and authored with NERO.

As I don't have the time to test and try (and make a trip to my friend's house in order to do so) I'd be interested to see if it worked when you make the image and burn with DVD Decryptor.

[negon]

I use DVDShrink to rip, Nero to burn....works just fine.

[hitechjunkie]

it may be moot at this point but:

- what exactly happens when u load the dvd-r into ur player?
- does the player actually see it as a dvd and attempt to play it but stops?
- does it ever load?
- what's on the players display during the load (does it look normal) and after it fails?
- does it play on ur PC using a software dvd player?
- when u load the ifo into ifoedit, can the ifoedit dvd player play it (preview option)?

[txpharoah]

it may be moot at this point but:

- what exactly happens when u load the dvd-r into ur player?
- does the player actually see it as a dvd and attempt to play it but stops?
- does it ever load?
- what's on the players display during the load (does it look normal) and after it fails?
- does it play on ur PC using a software dvd player?
- when u load the ifo into ifoedit, can the ifoedit dvd player play it (preview option)?

It loads to black screen on the players. The player sees it as a DVD-Video.

It will play on the DVD-ROM. But then again, a DVD-ROM and DVD Player software usually read non-standard video data, so no real comparison here.

My system doesn't get along with IFO edit real well.

[hitechjunkie]

this sounds exactly like the authoring problem with dvdxcopy xpress v2.0.1, whereby dvdxcopy would actually author a "corrupted reference to a non-existent VOB file" causing some standalones, most notably toshibas, to stop/freeze during initial playback. the fix was to go back to a previous version of dvdxcopy xpress v2.0 until the programmers came up with a real fix.

could it be that dvdshrink is using the same logic in their authoring code?

[txpharoah]

this sounds exactly like the authoring problem with dvdxcopy xpress v2.0.1, whereby dvdxcopy would actually author a "corrupted reference to a non-existent VOB file" causing some standalones, most notably toshibas, to stop/freeze during initial playback. the fix was to go back to a previous version of dvdxcopy xpress v2.0 until the programmers came up with a real fix. could it be that dvdshrink is using the same logic in their authoring code?

This sounds highly likely. My Toshiba is the biggest problem (which is also one of the best DVD-R/RW/+R/+RW players around) and my Cyberhome rejects a lot of the DVDshrink burns too.

[disturbed1]

Are you doing movie only?

I have a few players that won't play anything Reel DVD puts out because it doesn't create a VIDEO_TS.VOB, or a VTS_01_0.VOB files. The VIDEO_TS.VOB is title management info for movies with multiple title sets, and contains the VMG menu if there is one. The VTS_01_0.VOB file contains the menu for titleset 1 and some navigation packs. Reel DVD just multiplexes the whole project as if it was one huge movie and places chapters for navigation instead of using the correct menu structure blah blah, sorry 'bout the rant.

Anyway, grab those two files (VIDEO_TS.VOB, VTS_01_0.VOB) from a movie only output done with DVDit (it creates both files) or Spuce Up, or Maestro what ever... Pull 'em off a DVD-R you've already done if need be. Place those two files in the VIDEO_TS folder with DVD Shrinks' output. They should be about 114KB.

Open the VIDEO_TS.IFO with Ifo edit and correct VTS sectors, then resave your IFOs and BUPs. All should be fine. This fixes the problem some Philips, Sony, and Toshiba DVD players have with Reel DVD, maybe it'll fix your problem too.

You can also use Smart Ripper to stream rip the files off your hard drive into m2v and ac3 files to reauthor with DVDit.

[FoolishBrett]

For me a novice, Shrink is beautiful. I backed up LOTR on one disk with some huge compression like level 6. The movie is reasonable to watch. If I look for it, I can tell it is not the origional but for 30 minutes of work and $1.80, I'm in business. And I don't have a crappy TV.

I've probably done 30 movies with Shrink and only one that processed did not work, South Park (the characters barely visable). Used DVD2one on that one.

It just seems to me that no, one program fits the speed, easy of use, compatability, quality measures.

[hitechjunkie]

i just recently received a batch of dvd-r movies from a buddy of mine and discovered that the ones he created with dvdxcopy xpress did not play on my JVC standalone. i was able to salvage them, though, by ifoediting the "first play pgc" pointer to jump directly to either the root menu or the movie itself, bypassing the 321studios "greeting". i never liked those dang greetings anyway.

[jtoolman2000]

I've been using Shrink for a few months and DVD+Copy Xpress 2.01 for about two weeks. EVERY backup I've made sounds and views perfectly well on my PC and my 7 ( yes,, count them,, 7 ) DVD stand alone players. Guess I lucky there Huh?

[hitechjunkie]

yup, i guess you lucky there!

out of the 7, how many are Toshiba?

[craig843]

I use DVDShrink and burn with Nero. I found that the movies I burned worked fine on my PC and my Apex standalone. However, they did not work on my Daewoo and my friend's Toshiba. I was taking the output produced by DVDShrink and burning it with Nero ISO mode. I switched to ISO/UDF mode and now they work fine on every player I've tried. I have no idea what UDF is, but it works for me.

[txpharoah]

After using the newest version of DVDshrink (1.3) and the good version of Nero (5.5.10.20), it seems to play just fine in all of my players. The errors were in the first version of DVDshrink, and the authoring programs didn't like to use the DVDshrink folder set, and a burner-only program is needed.