Only 2 apps?

[kagharaht]

Is DVDbackup and OSeX the only solutions for Mac OS X? Are there any other rippers available for OS X? Simply because if these 2 apps fall on the wayside, our DTOX will be partially disabled. Not dead because we can use some Windows version in VPC, but were pretty much dependent on just 2 apps for that funcitonality....any thoughts?

[killfire]

kagharaht:
forty-two is available. it is not exactly a ripper, as it requires to change to AVI, (SC)VCD, or DVD, but it will go through the process for you. not to many other options though.

killfire

[kagharaht]

Really? I didn't know 42 decrypts DVDS. Will it output it as a VIDEO_TS folder? Native, not re-encoded?

[Thargok]

Why would you need anything more? The DVD spec will not (and cannot) change. For it to do so would void every DVD player to date, which only play DVDs (which it would not be).

Which leaves me...what if my VCR can't handle "new" VHS's?

[kagharaht]

So 42 is not a ripper...oh well.

[WiseWeasel]

There's also Extractor at http://denisx.dyndns.org/extractor/ (though it doesn't seem to be up at the moment). It's not as good as the other two though. There's also the fallbacks DVD Extractor and YADE, though they only work while booted in OS 9 or lower. I've heard talk of some command line tools as well, though didn't feel like looking into it.

[mcv]

DVD Extractor is the only one I like. It also WORKS under mac os Classic. I would like 42, but when ever I click encode to vcd/svcd I get an applescript error. Does anyone know why? I have the latest applescript, and I'm running mac os 10.2.5

MCV

[kagharaht]

Hmmm this is interesting. The DVDXCOPY, decrypts and copies all in one application. Now they have something similar to DVD2ONE. So how are they able to include a ripper, and promote it all over TV (you've seen that ad with that Systemax system) and not get slammed by legal? Kinda strange. I watched the ad and they promote the hell out of DVDXCOPY. So is there a loophole we don't know about? He says its legal to make copies of your DVDS. If so, then couldn't DTOX then incorporate a ripper also? This is a US TV ad.

[Pix]

Well, it might be a question of regulation. According to the country, the DVD backup/copy is considered very differently.
But it's true, if legally possible, it would be nice to have a ripper included in DTOX, just because it would make the step further easier (frankly it's already very easy, no ?).
But on the other hand, I don't like the PC apps to be easier than the mac ones... From this point of view, including a ripper, and why not a burner would make DTOX the ultimate app
But ok, let's assert it's not soooo important.

[AntnyMD]

The DVDXCopy folks are asserting their right to be based in the American fair use doctrine, which was expanded upon in the Sony Betamax decision that provided for the continued sale of videocassette recorders to consumers. This decision, until 2000, was also assumed to mean consumers could copy digital media as well.

Then the Digital Millennium Copyright Act was passed by Congress which outlawed any form of copying in the digital domain when copyright owners have sought to bar copying without permission through tactics such as the Content Scrambling System.

So we in the United States have two legalities in opposition -- the ubiquitous fair use doctrine, and a bone-headed Digital Millennium Copyright Act. My assumption is the DVDXCopy folks, if ever presented with a large lawsuit, will rely on the fair use doctrine for their defense. Given the current pro-big-business climate in America (tax breaks for megacorporations, etc), they're unlikely to get a decision in their favor until such a thing reaches the Supreme Court. There it will likely be a split decision in favor of the fair use doctrine, with only one vote more than necessary to swing the court. That'll just open up the door for more Supreme level challenges from the likes of the MPAA, Sony, etc.

[kagharaht]

Wow, thats a pretty big risk they are taking. They must a lot of money to thow in for their legal in order to be thad bold. Anyway guess this went off topic. I just hope DVDbackup and OSeX will continue to work and be updated for us Mac users.