DVD 4x burning at 2X speeds

[VMiyoshi]

I have a Sony DVD+R/-R burning, like the one everyone seems to be using now days.

I just got some 4X DVD-R disk, (DVDPro I think from SuperMedia.com)
I'm using the newest Ver. of Nero, and even though Nero says it's burning at 4X, it seems like it's only burning at 2X.

a full 2X DVD took me 26 mins to burn with seems about right
a full 4X DVD took me 25 mins to burn which seems way off, I was thinking more on the lines of 13-15 mins.

Could some one shed some light on the subject for me, because this is really pissing me off that I spent all this money for 4X disk, and I could have saved the money and got the same speed.

[Bob W]

It's simple the Sony drive doesn't work with some media. Also some firmware updates will kill 4x burning on Ritek media which I know from first hand experience. Try another brand of 4x media or buy an approved brand from the list at the Sony site.

[TeFLoN]

This thread really actually belongs in a different forum. But as the previous guy said, I have bought expensive 4x media also (RITEK), and to my chagrin, they did not ALL burn at 4x. Maybe half of them did. Very frustrating, when you spend all of that money . In the other forum, I think it was MackemX (who is one of the well versed guys in doom9 forum) said, "4x media are not worth the money. They finish in 15 min with 90 sec lead in and lead out burning which puts it close to within a min or so of the 2.4x +R media which do it in a solid 19 min." This is paraphrased because I could not find the post for you. However, I agree with him. The Verbatim 2.4x media from Sams are going to my only purchases (1.80 a piece) from now on. I was a Meritline 4x guy, but no more, until their prices fall. AVOID PRINCO MEDIA> I accidently bought some 1x Princo media with the white tops. They never burn correctly. Though I havent made a coaster with them (they all seem to play in my standalones), they never finish burning the leadout or freeze. This is in both Nero and/or DVD Decrypter. They still work though. Weird. I can only speak for the 1x media, for I have not tested (and will not) the higher speed princo media.

good luck
tef

[VMiyoshi]

thanks guys, I just wished DVD Technoloy worked like CD's does. It seems like you have to go to a 4 year school to learn how to make a good DVD-Video that works in most DVD players.

I really didn't have a problem with 1X PRINCO MEDIA they burn fine at 2X after I upgraded my Sony Burner to 2.0a or something like that.
And at $0.98 a disc you can't beat that with a stick.

[nerdboy69]

This is amazing. I was about to write a post almost identical to this one, because I just bought a pile of 4X media and tried the first one and it is burning at 2X speed as I speak (on Sony DRU500ax).

I only bought 10 of that brand because I had not tried them before, but I bought 40 of the 4X PRINCO. I have used 2X PRINCO and had no issues - not one coaster or misbehaviour as described with over 50 burns, so I hope like hell the 4X is as reliable and actually burns at 4X. I will repost when I have tried, but am concerned I have flushed my precious dough down the toilet and have bought 2X in 4X clothing.

[TBoneit]

This thread really actually belongs in a different forum. But as the previous guy said, I have bought expensive 4x media also (RITEK), and to my chagrin, they did not ALL burn at 4x. Maybe half of them did. Very frustrating, when you spend all of that money . In the other forum, I think it was MackemX (who is one of the well versed guys in doom9 forum) said, "4x media are not worth the money. They finish in 15 min with 90 sec lead in and lead out burning which puts it close to within a min or so of the 2.4x +R media which do it in a solid 19 min." This is paraphrased because I could not find the post for you. However, I agree with him. The Verbatim 2.4x media from Sams are going to my only purchases (1.80 a piece) from now on. I was a Meritline 4x guy, but no more, until their prices fall. AVOID PRINCO MEDIA> I accidently bought some 1x Princo media with the white tops. They never burn correctly. Though I havent made a coaster with them (they all seem to play in my standalones), they never finish burning the leadout or freeze. This is in both Nero and/or DVD Decrypter. They still work though. Weird. I can only speak for the 1x media, for I have not tested (and will not) the higher speed princo media.

good luck
tef

As I seem to see it a DVD+R is a good compromise in speed vs a 4x but I still believe a 4x disk will burn substantially faster.

I have used the White top princo... Hard surface and white that were repacked as Aterra in slimline jewel cases from one of our local vendors with nary a problem except the the slow speed (1 hour burn times). YMMV

I have used them with Nero, DVD MF2, and RecordNow and never had a bad burn like you describe. Maybe you need to update your Nero version?

However I mainly use the 2.4x Verbatim spindles as they paly in all dvd players in the house and burn at a decent speed.

Cheers

[nerdboy69]

Bugger. Looks like the PRINCO 4X is only burning at 2X as well.

Disappointed!

[Bob W]

IMO Sony needs to be sued for selling a faulty product or perhaps false statements on the drive box. Maybe it should read "4x sometimes on some media".

[VMiyoshi]

True that!!! This DVD Format thing is getting on my nerves, all this DVD-R/+R, Roxio making Coaster, Nero sometiming, RecordNow all timing Stuff is for the birds.
CD's use to always burn no mater the burning software, or how cheap the media. Work in all your CD players, and burn at 48X, 32, 24, 8X, no problem.

[garryheather]

Perhaps you should sue the media manufacturers for incorrectly branding THEIR product.

You can run a Diesel car on vegetable oil, but you don't go and pour neat Wessol into your Merc and expect identical performance out the can, do you ?

Seriously, every drive I have seen recently has said that it is capabale of burning up to... whatever.

NONE of them say they always will. In fact, the retail version of some drives will usually "recommend" media in the manual. That's there for a reason.

Media manufacturers seem to be knocing out XYZ speed media before getting the drive manufacturers to ratify their claims and upgrade their firmware accordingly. It is NOT the drives fault you are feeding it generic media that it does not know about yet. If it bothers you that much, get in touch with the manufacturer of the media and get a date off of them as to when their media will have been certified, and just don't buy it until then !

Or, hack your firmware - just don't post back and say your hardware has suddenly become unreliable...

[HideOut]

There is one thing your overlooking that very well may be it. I used hacked firmware in my pioneer 4x oem and can get 2x with 1x media. If I used 4x the burns have happened in about 15 minutes but sometimes as long as 40 minutes. Why you say? Buffer underruns for unknown reasons. Ive even tried the burner in other rigs including this gaming rig I'm on that gets 11,000 in 3dMark2001 330. Sometimes things just dont allways get along and that happens.

HideOut

[HideOut]

Oh ya, if its an internal make sure DMA access is turned on. If ya dont know how say so and we'll help. That may alone help you. What sony you have? There is the original and the newer one. Also post ur firmware # so we can see it.

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[VMiyoshi]

thanx Hideout, I'm going to try that DMA thing and try agian.
My Firewire is the lastest one, I just upgraded like last friday, it's something like "2.0a," and the Burner is the first Sony DVD-/+R burner that hit the market back in Nov. 2002, exter. Firewire, USB 2.0.

I also would like to know what Brand of DVD's has people got to burn at 4X. See the thing is, I understand Cheap DVD's are cheap for a reason now I guess, because I was always use to being the cheap ass CD-R's and was able to burn them at Quick speeds with no problem.

I love TDK, but have you checked out what TDK want's for one of there DVD-R's, something like 4, 5 dollars a disc. I don't have that kinda of money to blow away on a DVD that can very well become a Coaster.

[nerdboy69]

I just tried 2.0f firmware for the DRU500ax and the PRINCO 4X still grinds along at 2X using a hammer and chisel.

[Jayhawk]

I've played around with several brands but have settled on Verbatim now that I can get them for less than $2.00. Never a coaster in 50 - 60 burns. I have been buying the 2.4X but picked up a couple boxes of 10 at Microcenter last week that say "up to 4X". Came out to be about $1.70 per with a case.

Usually the burn is 25 minutes but last night I burned two of the 4X Verbatims in about 14 - 15 minutes. Using a Sony 500AX with the 0e firmaware. I burn only +R since the seem to play well on my Pioneers and RCA's.

Depending on the movie I use Decrypter > Decrypter ISO for 5's, and for 9's use either Decrypter > DVD2ONE > Nero, or Shrink > Nero. Everything's working like a charm so I'll stick with Verbatim.