Instant Copy: Green Bar said 4.3GB, file is 3.3?

[Banditt]

I am using Instant Copy to create an image of only the main movie of a DVD. I took out all of the extras, audio tracks, and subtitles. I had to set the video at 72% to have the green bar be 4.32GB.

When the movie was finished it created an image 3.3GB, and when I went to burn it asked for a CD that had 3.3GB free. Why didn't it use the entire 4.32GB? Is there a way I can make sure it will use all available space so I don't have to lessen the video quality as far?

Thanks for any help.

[donbarzini]

I'm having the same problem and I tried several times with the same dual layer disc. If I set the quality to 100% I get the same 1:1 ratio, 5.53 GB on the DVD turned to 5.53 GB .pdi files on my HD. Any time I changed the value from 80% all the way to 95% quality, the .pdi files were always 2.97 GB, even at 99%. Something definitely wrong here.

[deaves]

me too.. same thing.. I set the goal size to 4.3GB and i get a 3.5GB file.. at first i thought, maybe the DVD image is compresses, but it also burns to a 3.5GB file.

[neonflx]

Its because instant copy is crap!!

[musher70]

bad holes in ic7, even if you use update, here's a
trick, set size at 4.6 gigs or so, hit f5 when you
start project, and it'll get above 4 g's...or use
dvd2one v1.1.1

[tgferg67]

I have the same problem when I try to transcode the movie only.
Out of the 4 movies I have tried this program on I am getting files sizes of 3.7 to 3.9 with the sider maxed out to 99%. I use IFOedit before I feed the movie into IC.

[SLICK RICK]

This has been talked about so many times, all you have to do is set the bar to about 4.50GB or a little more and hit F5 and it will allow you to click OK. Do this and you should have no problems.

[SLICK RICK]

tgferg67,

That usually means that there is no need for transcoding and that you should be able to burn directly to disc after stripping the movie.

1. strip movie only with DVDDecrypter
2. burn to DVD with Nero
3. enjoy

[tgferg67]

Slick Rick,
The 4 movies I have tried are K-19, Bourne Identity, The Ring and Road to Perdition. The are all are to big at movie only size and have to be transcoded.

An example, Road to Perdition was 4.78GB movie only and when I put the slider to 99% which should give me about 4.78GB I get a resulting size of 3.2 GB. I'm att 99% so I can't make IC use any more size.

[Rico49]

This works for me every time:

- Movie extras: 51% compression (previews, trailers, etc)
- Audio: Keep English 5.1 (or stereo only if it's the only one available)
- All subtitles (doesn't take up much space)
- Main movie: move slider until you reach the 4.32 mark. Click the slider button and move an additional 7% or 8% using the keyboard right arrow key. You can see your progress on the right. Hit F5 and go. The 7% or 8% over will get you just under or right on 4.32 gigs.

Rico49

[SLICK RICK]

tgferg67

Try this
1.DVDDecrypter to rip main movie
2.DVD2ONE
3.NERO to burn final result

[dhluke]

You know... IC doesn't know how to handle itself when you take out titles, so if you kill an extra feature using the reg file... Well it's your own fault... Why don't you guys try it without taking a single title and choose 4.6gigs and press F5 to get the OK button... that should give you a file around 4.3Gigs or so...

dhluke

[tgferg67]

I have tried using both IFOedit and DVDToolbox to strip down to movie only before I fed into IC. The reg hack to remove titles was not used.

[MackemX]

Rich49, I see you use the same method I suggest in my guides

tgferg67, you mustn't be removing the extras properly and updating the IFO files correctly, that will result in IC oversizing the DVD as it still sees the stuff you have taken out. I've done both RTP & BI no problem with IC but only after careful removal of extras

SLICKRICK, we all know the quality consequences of using DVD2One , DVD95Copy does a much better job

neonflx, it's crap for you cos you don't know how to use it properly and overcome the few daft bugs that will hopefully be sorted, and your opinion is an exact example of not being able to overcome them

as for the rest of you with filesize issues please read my guides and especially this post here and you may find the answer to all your problems

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149923

[SLICK RICK]

@MackemX,

I have not yet used DVD95Copy, but thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. I have read the discussions about DVD95Copy and it sounds very good.

[MackemX]

SLICKRICK, if you like to keep menu's and extras it's brilliant as it compresses them a lot smaller than IC can and this results in more space for the main movie giving comparable quality to that of InstantCopy

this is why most people are impressed with it

another good thing is that you get a 10 day refund policy if you ain't satisfied and very few people have taken this up after purchasing

also look at the support and updates it's getting and it's one good option when looking to backup DVD's

[tgferg67]

MakemX,
I don't see how this undersize problem is something I'm wrong on my end.
I have tried to strip movies several different ways (IC reg hack, DVDToolbox, 2COOL's guide using IFOedit, Cavie's guide using IFOedit91 to create IFO's, I tried IFOedit95 to create the IFO's, Ive experimented with the VTS vectors in the create IFO's methods),
All these different ways of stripping the movie but the exact same results...and there is a pattern. The maximun oversize allowed at 99% is alays 1.6GB smaller than the original size. So if the start size is 5.96GB or larger I can create a file of 4.36 GB. As the start size gets smaller than 5.96GB space starts getting unused because IC will only use 1.6GB minus the original size. For example a 4.8MB start size will allow a 3.2GB max at 99%. All 4 movies I have tried - Bourne Identity, The Ring, K-19 andRoad to Perdition all undersize by this 1.6 GB and won't use up the entire 4.36GB because the movie only starting sizes are less than 5.96GB

I have DVD95COPY and it always comes out to 4.36MB regardless of the method I use to strip or the movie.

[MackemX]

MakemX,
I don't see how this undersize problem is something I'm wrong on my end.
I have tried to strip movies several different ways (IC reg hack, DVDToolbox, 2COOL's guide using IFOedit, Cavie's guide using IFOedit91 to create IFO's, I tried IFOedit95 to create the IFO's, Ive experimented with the VTS vectors in the create IFO's methods),
All these different ways of stripping the movie but the exact same results...and there is a pattern. The maximun oversize allowed at 99% is alays 1.6GB smaller than the original size. So if the start size is 5.96GB or larger I can create a file of 4.36 GB. As the start size gets smaller than 5.96GB space starts getting unused because IC will only use 1.6GB minus the original size. For example a 4.8MB start size will allow a 3.2GB max at 99%. All 4 movies I have tried - Bourne Identity, The Ring, K-19 andRoad to Perdition all undersize by this 1.6 GB and won't use up the entire 4.36GB because the movie only starting sizes are less than 5.96GB

I have DVD95COPY and it always comes out to 4.36MB regardless of the method I use to strip or the movie.

Cavie's guide using IFOedit91 to create IFO's, I tried IFOedit95 to create the IFO's, Ive experimented with the VTS vectors in the create IFO's methods

now that won't help matters as you cannot create IFO's and expect miracles from IC

I also mean't that your copy of InstantCopy may be at fault and it's best u unistall it, clear your registry of any trace of IC and reinstall it

Have you deleted the discdata files?

try unistalling InstantCopy, then reinstalling it and then install the update

what version does it say you have on the CD?. Have you applied any of the reg hack settings?

your version of IC is not working properly and it's best you blitz it and install a fresh version

have you not tried my guides to trim down the DVD?

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/index.htm

[tgferg67]

My Instant Copy disc says version 7.0a and i updated that to the lastest version. I also tried deleteing the discdata files, I applied the movie only reg hack but then applied the reset file. I also tried removing/reinstalling Instant Copy but when I reinstalled I noticed it kept the registry settings.

How do I clear IC from the registry so I can do a complete reinstall?

After the reinstall I will try your strip method and tell you how it goes.

Thanks in advance.

[MackemX]

use regedit and go in and delete the 7.0 folder in the Vob folder

thats in both HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\VoB & HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\VOB or wherever that 7.0 folder may be

obviously create a restore point first

[vance43211]

tgferg67 i don't know if this hurts or help u. when i burnt bourne identity using https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/147636.php by me of course, i set the slider to 4.3 after removing extra audio and subtitle with ic7 and i ended up with a movie at 3.9 gigs long . and the picture is so great that i don't worry about the .4 or .8 gig i had left on my blank dvd. my guess is u wouldn't notice the difference in video quality even if u had a 150 inch plasma super space titantium TV and a telescope.


oh yeah.and i didn't use that F5 slider trick. i never have use that trick ( u know the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it. i never encouter a probelm burning dvd with either of the last 2 versions of ic7). i don't know if this is the probelm you're having or at least it will let u know that your copy of ic7 isn't acting right

if it is probelm u are having my guess is maybe ic7 don't have a hundred different encoding rates. maybe about 20 or 30 that make a certain lenght video data a certain lenght long on a dvd5.

[vance43211]

i still say encoding a dvd9 to 5 have come a long way these past 7-8weeks. i remember the old version of instantcd/dvd used to take 24 hours(most of the encoders took that long, unless u had a mpeg 2 adapter card and that still didn't guarantee good results) to encode and if it was a multiangle dvd (like most dvds are) the audio and video sync were way off, althrough it would fill up the whole blank dvd.

so give everybody (ic7,dvd95,etc) another 2 or 3 months and dvd ripping will be as easy as 1-2-3 .i still remember using flaskmpeg and clad dvd to rip. Mann that seems like ancient history.

[Bob W]

I just use DVD95 Copy. it's much faster than Instant Copy and never fails.

[MackemX]

never fails? sure?

nah, it is a great program and compliments to the chef Digimedic, for one helluva program

it's nice to be spoilt for choice and all three programs most people use are best in at least one field

that's quality/speed/reliabilty, I'll let you decide which is which

[Bob W]

never fails? sure?

nah, it is a great program and compliments to the chef Digimedic, for one helluva program

it's nice to be spoilt for choice and all three programs most people use are best in at least one field

that's quality/speed/reliabilty, I'll let you decide which is which

Alright I will change that to "it's never failed me yet".

[tgferg67]

Vance,
I've also tried your method to strip the movie .It's very similar to Cavie's.
I still undersizes by 1.6GB.
I've did a complete reinstall in IC and the problem is still there.
I'm trying to strip the move with MackemX's guide but it's a little over my head. I'm only a couple weeks into this. I'm going to take a little break before my head explodes .
MrBass is using IC on one of the movies I am having problems with and am interested in seeing his results.

[MackemX]

@ Bob W, IC had not failed me until yesterday when I backed up the simspons Season 2 DVD 4

but I did this just to see if it was in fact a problem DVD and it was, but I sharp fixed that and I'm the proud owner of the only backup for this disc using IC

answer here just in case you missed it
http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/temp/sims.htm

@tgferg67
don't you know I'm the Master of InstantCopy?

what's the DVD?, Road To Perdition?

[vance43211]

i think i stay with ic7. it's plain and simple also cheap $50 probaly $30 after i get rebate. it has never fail on me (knock on wood). u have to understand i'm an old school convertor(dvd9 to dvd5 i don't think they had that name yet) and anything that take less than 3 hours has me tickle pink. all of the old schoolers will know what i talking about

[Bob W]

Instant Copy has never faild me however I don't care for the fact it takes some 3 1/2 hours to do it's thing.

[vance43211]

tgferg67 i was probaly editing this line while u were typing here u go again

tgferg67 i don't know if this hurts or help u. when i burnt bourne identity using https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/147636.php by me of course, i set the slider to 4.3 after removing extra audio and subtitle with ic7 and i ended up with a movie at 3.9 gigs long . and the picture is so great that i don't worry about the .4 or .8 gig i had left on my blank dvd. my guess is u wouldn't notice the difference in video quality even if u had a 150 inch plasma super space titantium TV and a telescope.