Putting S/VCD on DVD-R?

[Mandrag]

Not in the normal way, as in converting the audio and tricking Spruce into accepting the video, but authoring an S/VCD as you normally would, except burning it to a DVD-R. So you'd have a regular S/VCD, except it'd be on a DVD-R instead of CD-R. Is this possible? Or will DVD players not accept it?

[El Torro]

i think, theoretically, it will work..., but the question is, with what are you gonna burn in on the DVD-R? Forget about nero, he'll refuse...

[Mandrag]

No idea what I'd burn it with. I was thinking I'd just use Nero and set it to use my DVD-R drive instead of my CD-R, but you're saying Nero won't work.

[wulf109]

I don't think there's any burning software that would allow you to burn a true SVCD onto DVD-R media. The 'old " method will work.
Demux the SVCD to m2v and mp2,convert the mp2 to 48000k and rename the mp2 to ac3. Spruce-up will import the resulting m2v and ac3 file. You could then author and burn.
I use Nero 5569 to burn my DVD-R and miniDVD and have never ahda problem.

[Mandrag]

I know the old way, it's just a pain in the ass to resample the audio every time.

[uncleclancy]

What programs besides TMPg can you use to convert the mp2 file to a dvd compliant 48000 file?
Thanks.

[vitualis]

Not in the normal way, as in converting the audio and tricking Spruce into accepting the video, but authoring an S/VCD as you normally would, except burning it to a DVD-R. So you'd have a regular S/VCD, except it'd be on a DVD-R instead of CD-R. Is this possible? Or will DVD players not accept it?

No, it is NOT possible.

DVDs are not "big" CDs. They are a completely different type of media.

What you are asking is like if it were possible to turn LP records into CDs -- not in the usual way of digitally sampling the audio and burning, but by scratching the top of the CD so that it has grooves like a LP.

Regards.

[Mandrag]

I'm aware that they're different types of storage medium. But does the a/v have to be in VOB format for it to be recognized? There's no players that couldn't read it as an SVCD?

[vitualis]

I'm aware that they're different types of storage medium. But does the a/v have to be in VOB format for it to be recognized? There's no players that couldn't read it as an SVCD?

Read: http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcd

A SVCD isn't an MPEG-2 file on a disc... It is a whole lot more. For instance, the MPEG files are on separate tracks on the CD. DVDs don't even have "tracks".

Making a "SVCD" onto DVD media is impossible.

Some DVD players may be able to play straight MPEG files off a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM. But these are not S/VCDs nor DVDs (in terms of the video disc format).

Regards.

[cradix]

This thread is old, but I'm interested in the topic at hand here.

Question 1) How hard would it be for me to take an existing 352x480 44kHz audio MPG and convert it to DVD? (I know DVD requires 48kHz audio.)

Question 2) What is the process of burning a 352x480 48kHz audio MPG to a DVD?

I have just finished learning how to burn my video collection to CVDs by reading the CVD article at: http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/userguides/98177.php and asking questions here in the forums. My ultimate goal, however, is to be able to easily take my CVD collection and burn them to DVD once I obtain a DVD burner.

Thanks for your help. --Matt

[Baldrick]

1. www.vcdhelp.com/vcddvdr.htm (for vcd but it will be the same for cvd)
2. easy with an good dvd authoring tool, just to add it and burn basicly.

[cradix]

I took one of my AVI video clips (352x480 44.1 kHz audio) and ran it through TMPGEnc, only this time encoding the audio at 48000 Hz so it would be DVD compatible, but when I play it (this is a CVD, not a DVD yet) on my DVD player (Sony S560D) thee souund is sliighhty slowwerr (if you catch my drift). It's not incredibly slow, just ever so slighty enough to notice.

I read the guide you informed me about, Baldrick. It talks about demuxing the DAT file (from an existing VCD?), then converting just the audio to 48kHz. Is this what I'm going to have to do with my MPG? What is the technical reason behind why encoding the whole AVI to 48kHz audio makes the sound play slow?

Is it just my DVD player by chance? The guide does say that some players don't play 48kHz audio on a VCD/SVCD/CVD. But, I would think if it's not going to play it, then it wouldn't play it at all (as opposed to the slower sound).

-- Matt

[Cornucopia]

I just finished answering someone else on about the same thing. See http://forums.vcdimager.org/viewtopic.php?t=246. So the "Old Way" is really the only surefire way.

Note to vitualis:
I believe DVD's do have 1 track. And everything must be in it.
I'm not sure however about newer drives being able to do "multisession" on DVD (UDF). How is this possible w/o multiple tracks?

Anyway,
cradix, the reason your DVDplayer makes those audio files sound slower is that that particular player must expect all audio and video cd's (and mpegs on data cd's) to be sampled at 44.1kHz. If it's encoded at 48, but plays out at 44.1, it will sound slower and lower, and probably get out of sync with the video. It recognizes the audio and still wants to play it, but the player just doesn't want to change, since it knows it's not a true DVD.

I wonder if DVD players with MP3 capability are players that wouldn't have a problem with this, since MP3 could be sampled at either 44.1 or 48kHz?

Scott

[cradix]

That makes sense, Cornucopia. I was actually thinking about it just a little while ago when I was trying another test at 48k and sort of came to that conclusion (48k = more samples, but DVD player still tries to play at the 44k rate). Thanks for clearing that up.

One of my friends has an Apex that does MP3s. I think I'll try my 48kHz CVD on his and see what happens.

Thanks a bunch! --Matt

[DarylO]

I have a Mitsubishi DD-6030 DVD player, and it supports MP3 playback, but it only plays back 44.1-encoded audio correctly. 48K-encoded audio ALWAYS plays back slower, even on MP3's. I therefore must encode my CVDs only with the 44.1 sampling rate. This stinks, but since most of the CVDs I create are of Josh Groban singing appearances, I cannot tolerate hearing Josh at a lower pitch. Incidentally, I switched from SVCD to CVD primarily because my Mitsubishi would only play back SVCDs with the 'header trick', but it plays back CVD's just fine.

Daryl