DVD2SVCD/or VCD/ 2 CD's when it should be 1, why?

[defense]

I am hoping somebody can explain to me how I can resolve an issue of constantly getting two .bin files when I am only asking DVD2SVCD for one. I am fairly new to this but I have had some good success over the last couple of months making SVCD's on 2 CD-R's. But I realized that although I like quality, I would only make "2" CD-R's/SVCD's for action packed movies. Comedies, etc, I would squeeze as much as I could on there, and only make 1 cd-r/ or a VCD. DVD2SVCD from what I've read can also be used to make VCD's, in addition to DVD-R's with a little tweaking, etc. I know the basic principal is that the higher the bitrate, the lower the quality, but the more you can fit on one VCD/CD-R. So I am making a back-up of "American Pie" and I have tried FOUR different ways of getting this to fit on ONE VCD. After ripping DVD2SVCD shows that it will only be ONE CD, at the cut point of 795 MB's. But after it is done with the encoding, and BBMPEG does it's thing, I ALWAYS get two muxed files, and two .bin/cue files. The first is always around 807 MB'S, which is fine, but then the second is 160 MB's or so. Why is that happeneing?? Also, I noticed that when I choose the MPEG-1 tab on DVD2SVCD, the bitrate remains the same. The bitrate is about 953kbps average for the entire encoding process. The movie is 93 minutes long so I want it on one VCD even if quality has to suffer. I've tried different templates from KVCD to the default standard, etc. Does anyone have ANY idea how I can get this movie or other movies on ONE VCD? I've also tried different passes, from 2 to 4, and the result is the same, TWO .bin files. It is very frustrating, being that I have spent about 30 hours or more experimenting with different methods. I know I have read about bitrate calculators, and apparently those tell you how much you can fit on one or two CD-R's max, at the highest bitrate. But doesn't DVD2SVCD have it's own bitrate calculator? I know when I change the length of time or cd options, the bitrate corresponds to that change. ANY help with this would be greatly appreciated.

[NYPlayer]

1. On the misc tab make sure dvd2svcd level is set to advanced
2. On the BBMPEG tab click on advanced settings. Set forced mux rate to 0 and make sure that vcd and vbr are both checked.

This should make it 1 CD

[vitualis]

@ defence: it seems to me that you have gone beyond the newbie stage into a more advanced user. Perhaps you should try going beyond DVD2SVCD and use the tools it GUIs individually? DVD2SVCD is a great tool but all-in-one tools all have some limitations, especially if you want to do something a little bit more advanced.

Regards.

[defense]

@ NYPlayer, thanks for the response, I will try your method and I am hoping that it works. I am sure it will being that I have read posts from you before regarding the new DVD2DVDR tool and you know your stuff. I appreciate the help. @ Michael, thanks for the info, and I appreciate it. When I first started all of this stuff literally felt like a foreign language for me, but with countless hours of reading, web searching, experimenting, etc, I feel much more comfortable. I had actually been thinking the same thing about using individual tools because I have read on this forum that you will achieve the best results when you do those things individually. Also, I will have even a better understanding of what it is I am doing. I like to learn, and by using DVD2SVCD, I don't know in detail what all of the applications purposes are, and I want to understand them in detail. So I guess it's time for IFOedit, or Daemon Tools, SubRip, DVD2Avi, and whatever other individual tools I need to start from scratch. Thanks for your help and it will be interesting to see how I do with the more advanced method.

[jaydee54]

You can't fit more than 80 min on a "VCD".
Make a cvd with dvd2svcd, set you radio bitrate to 96, use at least 2
pass vbr.
I have put 98 min of good looking video on one disk. But if I put more then 91 min on chapters don't work

[jaydee54]

That should be audio bitrate

[vitualis]

You can fit more than 80 mins of video on a VCD if you use use 90 or 99 min media.

Also, 96 kbit/s second is REALLY low for the audio bitrate. As I've stated quite a few times before, don't hamstring your audio for a few extra bits for video (that probably wouldn't make a noticeable difference).

Regards.

[hwoodwar]

Defense:

Did you go to the Bitrate tab of VCD to SVCD? That should be where it is telling the program to use two CD's. You have to adjust the timespan that includes 93 minutes to only use one 800meg CD.

I don't know where this "You can't fit more than 80 min on a "VCD"" came from, but it is not true even with an 80min CDs. If you lower the video bitrate enough you can get more than 80min of VCD playing time on one CD. I have made four or five VCDs of acceptable quality that were in the 87-95 minute range. This was on generic 80min/700meg (mode-1 rated) CD's. Which can hold 800meg when recorded mode-2 (VCD, CVD and SVCD are all recorded mode-2.)

[vitualis]

I don't know where this "You can't fit more than 80 min on a "VCD"" came from, but it is not true even with an 80min CDs.

Well, actually, it is true (as long as you don't overburn). If you lower the bitrate, you are no longer making a VCD, but an "XVCD".

Going off spec makes a big difference to some players.

Regards.

[jaydee54]

Dvd2svcd setis the video bitrate for a "vcd" to 1150 = 80 min per disk
Go with the cvd, what ever audio bitrate you want. 96 sounds fine to me and anyone who has played my svcd or cvd

[defense]

thanks for all of the responses. I just followed NYPlayer's advice and put DVD2SVCD and the BBMpeg settings the way NYP said to and it finally excepted it and made "1" muxed/ and one .bin file. The movie was American Pie, 93 minutes long. When I burned it onto a CD-R and played it in my Standalone player, it played pretty jerky. I mean it was terrible, but the pixelation at parts was noticeable and it jerked and skipped every ten seconds or so for a second. HwoodWar, I always keep the settings at 800 for the cd. I put as much as 75 minutes or so on one SVCD before and It played flawlessly in my standalone player, but this VCD played very sporadic. It is very doubtful that it is my player, because my standalone is a Philips 724, and even on this site it has probably the highst rating of any player I have read. It reads most formats, including Jpeg, and it even distinguished between SVCD and VCD when one is put in. After followng NY Players advice, I did get the one file, and for the most part, the picture quality is really good, but the problem is that there is too much Jitter. I am thinking that has to do with the bitrate. When DVD2SVCD and CCE encoded this movie it had an average bitrate of 953. I don't know if that is the problem or not, but when my standalone plays the movie, it shows it when I put it in as a "VCD 60" Does anyone have any idea what the 60 would indicate? If not, any help in getting this 93 minute movie on one CD-R the best way would be appreciated. I know some people said that they have gotten up to 95 minutes on one CD-R, so if you would not mind telling me how I would like to try it. I even read a post in here where someone said they knew someone who put 180 minutes of Video on one CD-R. Hopefully I can at least get half of that. Otherwise, I guess it is back to SVCD. Thanks in advance

[jaydee54]

stand alones have trouble with strange mpeg1 settings.
Make a SVCD or CVD 2pass vbr 93 min 1 disk will look fine

[NYPlayer]

Ok try this on the bitrate tab make these changes

MAX=1450 MIN=300 Min avg Leave unchecked MAX Avg set to 0


On the encoder tab make these changes
Rate Control change to Constant Quality

Motion Search Precision change to "motion estimate fast"

[NYPlayer]

PS

You should be using TMPGENC for VCD

[defense]

thanks again for the replies. NY Player, I will try these settings the way you say and use TMPG. Should I also leave the BBMpeg settings the way you had me set them before or set them back to the defaults? One last thing, should I check Mpeg-1 or Mpeg-2 on the DVD2SVCD? I'm assuming Mpeg-1, but I don't see any changes to bitrate, etc, when it is checked at Mpeg-1 or Mpeg-2, which seems odd. If this method works with these settings, what would be the maximum amount of time (approximate) I would be able to fit on "one" CD-R? Thanks again in advance.

[defense]

P.S. @ NYP, under the matrix tab, should I use any specific templates, or just leave it checked as use current encoder standard matrix? I have CCE 2.5 Thanks

[NYPlayer]

Yes leave the settings in bbmpeg make sure u select mpeg1. It will do 4 short test encodes to figure out the right CQ to fit on 1 cd. Then it will encode the whole movie. The size predition is automatic

[NYPlayer]

On the matrix tab just cheak to use the standard for the encoder.

[defense]

NYP, thanks once again. I am going to try it once again. What do you think the problem was with the jitters? If this works, what is the maximum amount of movie time I would be able to put on one CD-R in VCD format? I am just trying to get movies that are 90-100 minutes and are comedy type on one CD-R as opposed to 2. I will let you know what happens in a few hours. I have never used that Motion Estimate, but I know it is much faster in encoding, but apparently the quality isn't as great. I'm not really concerned all that much with quality with this particular movie, I just want it on one CD-R with no jitters/lagging/etc. Thanks once again

[defense]

NYPlayer, I am currently encoding with TMPG with the settings you suggested and I decided to go from tab to tab on DVD2SVCD and thoroughly analyze all of the options. I see one option on the "frameserver" tab that says "resize to" and I have it checked as SVCD. Until today, I have only used DVD2SVCD for SVCD's, so would I have to check VCD in that frameserver tab with all of your settings you reccomend, or can I leave it at SVCD?

[kwag]

@defense,

Go into DVD2SVCD "Matrix" tab and select "KVCD". Now go to the "Encoder" tab and click on "Advanced settings" and change the GOP to read from top to bottom "1 18 3 1 18".
Click on motion search precision and select "Motion estimate (fast)" and under Rate Control Mode select "Automatic variable bitrate".
Now go ahead an encode your single CD-R with DVD2SVCD's internal file prediction and KVCD parameters.

Hope that helps,
-kwag

[marvel2020]

Goto the Birate Tab in DVD2SVCD, in there change the CD size to whatever CD your trying to fit it onto, if its....

74minCdr = 740mb
80minCdr = 800mb
90minCdr = 900mb
99minCdr = 990mb

Also make sure that you select use 1 CD next to the size your using.

Uncheck the Warn if Total birate Option at the bottom.

Also make sure that you select "Don't Make Cd Image" in the CD image Tab, you can always make it later using VCDimager

You can always drop the audio in the Audio Tab to a lower birate to give yourself a btter picture quailty, but as someone has already said i would not go below 96

You should now be able to put American Pie onto 1 Cdr.

I do it this way all the time and i'm always able to fit a movie onto 1 Cdr of whatever size i've it at in the Birate Tab.

[defense]

thanks again for all of the responses. Kwag, I will try that method. I appreciate your help. I've read about your templates on the KVCD, even prior to having viewed the link below your name. I've only started playing around with all of theses methods of converting for a few weeks, but I am enjoying it, even if I don't always get the outcome I like after 50 hours..lol. I also see there are new Templates on that site which will allow 180 mins on one CD-R. I will have to download that and import into TMPGenc. That should be interesting. Thanks again for the help all, and great job with those file predictions Kwag. I am new to this all, but I know enough to know that you guys over there at KVCD get a lot of respect for your work and precision. Thanks for your time

[kwag]

Any time defense

-kwag