TMPGEnc VS Cleaner

[jentre]

I have been using TMPGEnc to encode my Vcds works excellent. But It takes 42 hours to encode 76min video. I was thinking about tring Cleaner. I am looking for somone who has tried both and has an opinion. TMGEnc is very inexpensive and Cleaner is $599.00 US. Need to know if it does as good of a job as TMPGEnc?

[Mxjshaf69]

I haven't tried cleaner but you should try cce. Its lots faster.

[BJ_M]

well cce is good -- but its also $1950 for the full version ...

cleaner is one of the worse encoders ive ever tried out .. slow also ..

[homerpez]

I am not a huge fan of TMPGEnc's MPEG quality (it's only "ok" in my opinion)... but definitely if you have to choose between "Cleaner" and TMPGEnc, pick TMPGEnc for sure.

I found cleaner to be picky about sources, very very VERY VERY slow (slower than Premiere!), overall it was not anything I needed to keep using, ever.

CCE is most definitely better than either one of these.

[LanceSteel]

I think you are doing something wrong with Tmpeg. It shouldn't take 42 hours to do a 72min VCD with the system that you have (a P4 2.26GHz.) When I do VCD compression on avi cap's the compression time is nearly 1:1 or even faster than that. What are your settings and what format are you converting?

[tmcmvd]

Best MPEG 1 encoder is panasonic. Next is CCE.
Best MPEG 2 encoder is CCE next is TMPGenc.

CCE is fastest all the time...if you don't have to resize...

Use 3 pass VBR in CCE for best result...Do audio in other program, course CCE audio sucks...Use TMPGenc with perhaps Lame external encoder for your audio.

I agree with former post...VCD encoding shouldn't take that long, unless u are using a P60, or a fast machine with 8 megs of ram...or a middle age harddisk which is too full..

Price quality thing....always TMPGenc.

goodluck...

[Martyn1980]

42 hours yikes, even on Highest Quality and noise Reduction and a resolution of 720x576 i could do 76minutes of video in about 8hours and i have a much slower system.

But i also recommend CCE as its much faster and its multipass can work wonders at times.

[homerpez]

I'll bet he's using "noise reduction" filters... that would account for that time... and if it's 2-Pass... and if he's got other filters going too...

Man, that IS a long time!

[Anonymous65]

VCD is single pass, so there is no multipass for VCD Mpeg-1 coding. Also, I don't think you will see much difference between Normal motion detection and the slowest motion detection setting. The same is the case with the noise filter. I cannot see ANY difference between high quality and standard quality settings. So, do not select everything for the highest quality settings. The only thing you will do is to increase the encoding time to days without gaining any quality that the humam eye can notice when playing the VCD. I know there are people using a microscope on every frame to look for any difference in artifacts, but that is not how most people view their VCD's. So, select "normal" settings for making a VCD, and it should not take more than 1:2 or 1:3 for encoding time on a new PC. For VCD encoding, Tmpegenc is still the best.

Mpeg 1- Tmpgenc is definetly the best, I find the panasonic encoder outputs are very very blocky.

Mpeg 2 - CCE & Tmpgenc are both excellent encoders.

cheers

[moraize]

Yes,definetly it must be something very wrong.I take 3 Hs to encode a 80Min through frameserve(Mpegmediator to TMPGENC).With motion estimate in highest quality.

[offline]

noise reduction filters within tmpgenc can add up to 150% to the
encoding time depending on the strength and if high quality is
checked. A better way is by using temporalsmoother, spatiial soften, unfilter and convolution3d in a avisynth frameserver script. You can
even use your favorite v.dub filters such as myPal, VHS etc.

By frameserving cpu intensive filters you can save heaps of
encoding time with tmpgenc. Some of the filters are now SSE and
MMX optimised making them run even faster on new gen celerons, pIII's
and P4's.

[moraize]

Ok,but in his case he waits more than 1000% of the time I do,as he does the same job in 46Hs.I think that even if he put all the filter he shouldn´t wait for so long.
I use to encode 2 files at the same time and in this case it takes about 6 to 7hours.My processor is an Athlon XP 1800+,with a gigabyte 7vrxp mother-board,256Mb od DDR pc2100,and a 60Gb mastor UDMA133 7200 RPM harddrive...

[Mouseanony]

Hey tmcmvd, what do you find good about the Panasonic with MPEG1? I ask because I find it interesting your find this the best. What was the source material and what kind of output bit rates we talking here (I would assume VCD bit rates?) And what version of Panasonic encoder? The new MPEG2&1 one? I'm especially interested because vcdhelp did a comparison a while ago and they found TMPGenc the best quality. Better then Panasonic. That was a while back but it was using the Panasonic MPEG1 v2.51 which is still the latest version of course. Does anyone know if Panasonic actually did any work on their MPEG1 engine in the new MPEG2&1 version? I would suspect not but you never know.

Also interested to here what you others find is the best. So far, we have one person who agrees with vcdhelp's old comparison.

[moraize]

I've already tried out many encoders and TMPGENC gave me the best visual quality,with any input souce.The sound is not very good(the sound get a little metalized),but with an external encoder as lame,it gets better.
So in my opinion,TMPGENC is the best.Of course I respect any other opinion,because whats good to me can be bad to others...

[ahfairley]

CCE is fastest all the time...if you don't have to resize...

tmcmvd, how do you resize with cce? I don't see that option, am I missing something? (i'm thinking of standalone version, not plug-in, is that it?)

Thx,

Alan

[homerpez]

SOURCE --> TMPGENC PROJECT FILE --> VFAPI CONVERTER --> CCE

or...

SOURCE --> AVISYNTH TEXT FILE --> CCE PROJECT FILE EDIT --> CCE

I do method #1, as I can see better what I'm doing. It's BARELY slower this way, but I prefer it. And, no text editing.

Either TMPGEnc or AVISYNTH will be doing the resize work for you. CCE can't resize by itself (which I find insane, considering the asking price)...

[ahfairley]

Thanks, got it. Here's another question. I have captured files from VHS I'm editing in Vegas Video. The cap size was 320x480. I'm going to burn to DVD. I can have Vegas Video render to NTSC DVD compliant AVI and then use CCE to encode to MPEG2 (2 steps). Or I can have Vegas Video use its MPEG2 to render and encode straight out of the program to MPEG2 (1 step). I'm assuming that cce is a better encoder than the Main Concept plugin VV uses, but will the fact that I have to go through 2 transformations using cce mean that I'll get better quality using just VV's encoder?

Alan

[BJ_M]

the main concept encoder does a very good job if you stay above 4000 .. in fact excelent ...

you can render in vegas to a lossless avi codec like huffyuv or uncompressed and you would lose no quality ....

the main concept encoder does a excellent job btw of 29.97i to 23.97p conversion ...