audio pops with CCE SP2.5

[tweakybird]

The final SVCD file encoded with Cinema Craft version 2.5 has strange popping sounds whenever the audio level goes up. Everything else is cool, good image, video/audio sync, no hissing. I'm capturing with VDub 16-bit stereo and encoding at 128kbps stereo in CCE SP2.5, and multiplexing with Tmpgenc. The pops in the audio sound like popcorn and increase in density as music or other constant noise is occuring, but cease when the audio is silent or at a lower volume. Does this have to do with the CRC setting?

[Sully]

Well to put it simply... DON'T USE CCE FOR AUDIO.

They audio encoder of CCE is pretty bad. Try toolame through TMPGEnc, or try CDex. Mux the audio & video with bbMPEG.

[tweakybird]

Thanks, think I'll stick to Tmpgenc beta 12 for both audio and video (encode overnight). Tmpgenc video quality even looks a little better then Cinema Craft, so I wonder how they can sell CCE for thousands of bucks. It sucks!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: tweakybird on 2001-07-23 10:38:48 ]</font>

[plg-tae]

tmpg12 is better than cce sp?....are you a complete moron...
maybe for a dumbass like you who didnt know enough about cce to realize it does not downsample audio.....it costs 3000$ because it encodes at real time as long as your cpu is fast enough....try that with tmpg...moron..and theres been many quality tests between the two....(no i dont mean a test done by your lame self)and cce is not only a better picture,,,but many times faster....so learn to use it or go back to your newbie tmpg

[VidGuy]

We don't need to stoop to name-calling here - everyone is entitled to their opinion. I disagree that TMPGEnc looks better, but bottom line is your own eyes.

Personally, any time someone thinks TMPGEnc is better - I dare them to encode "The Time Machine" and watch it.

However, for most things TMPGEnc isn't bad, just slow.

Also, 3 pass VBR is really tough to beat with TMPGEnc....

[tweakybird]

All I know is- using CBR to encode with CCE produces worse results than Tmpgenc. Since my Tmpgenc SVCDs look better on the huge HDTV I'm playing them on, I have evidence than the pig-tae-guy with a PIG-TOE stuck up his butt can't refute. As for VBR, my DVD player has max 2600 bitrate for SVCDs and that's my constant for CBR, so I assume VBR wouldn't be an advantage(?). Also notable is CCE SP's profound lack of features or aesthetic interface.

If you need to call someone a moron and dumbass, do it to the president and his sidekick. I'm a complete stranger. Oops, I got political.

[Sully]

Although out of line in the reply I have to agree with plg-tae about the encoder part. Once you can get control over it, CCE is an excellent encoder. I'll admit it's not the most beautiful thing around, but what do you want to do, encode videos or look at the nice GUI? As for options, it has all it needs. I see it as being easy to use, not a lack of options.

For starters VBR is very usefull in keeping the file size down. With a min of say 1500 & max of 2400 you'll still be getting the quality where you need, but you don't waste the bits (as with CBR) when they're not needed ("slow" scenecs etc).

[tweakybird]

I figured VBR is a space saving tool for maintaining quality and dropping file size. I'm perfectly happy with 40-45 minutes per disk, however. One question about CCE SP: Is there a way to encode a 4:3 image within a 16:9 frame using matting (black bars)? That's what I'm doing with Tmpgenc (preserve aspect, fit frame) and then I'll play the XSVCD on the standalone in 480 progressive mode on a 16:9 set in full screen. I can't seem to get the appropriate black bars to appear with CCE SP so I have to use my set's own interlaced 4:3 mode to play CCE encoded SVCDs.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: tweakybird on 2001-07-24 10:08:16 ]</font>

[homerpez]

I'm also one of those who use TMPGenc... it just works every time!

For CCE, I've tried it and tried it... and I can't get it to work...

I did 3-pass MPEG-1 VBR, MIN 600, AVG 875, MAX 2400, it makes the video file. Then I do audio in TMPGEnc. Then, I try (emphasis on "TRY&quot to multiplex them.

IN bbMPEG, what are the settings for a VBR VCD to work? I want to burn it in NERO, but every one I multiplex either turns out the wrong filesize, has video glitches, or worse! Underruns all over the place no matter what I check!

The latest one I tried in TMPGEnc's "multiplex" too... that had underflow too!

If CCE was so good, wouldn't audio work within the program?...

Has anyone else done this using DVD2AVI --> FAKE AVI/AVS --> CCE method, and gotten it to work? Especially through the multiplex and burn? AND turn out the right size?...

[Truman]

homerpez,
Video: DVD2AVI> Avisynth(mpeg2dec plugin)> cce2.50(VBR3pass)
Audio: DVD2AVI> tooLAME 0.2h (TMPG interface)
Multiplex: TMPG> file> mpegtools> multiplex: add video and audio, choose type "Video-CD(non-standard)"
Create a bin/cue image with VCDImager(GUI) and burn with CDRWIN or Nero.
Works like a charme.

[homerpez]

Well.. this is exactly the process I did, and it didn't work... got the "underfow" error in TMPGEnc!

Someone somewhere gave me a hint to try with bbMPEG, you crank the mux rate as high as it will go... it did work on a test VBR MPEG-1 I had. maybe it will work if I apply the "VCD", "VBR", "PAD VCD AUDIO", "ALIGN SEQUENCE HEADERS" checks...

I did decide to try CCE again (since I like the quality of the picture, when there wasn't the file corruption present)

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: homerpez on 2001-08-01 09:07:56 ]</font>