What is this Video In port on the Canopus ADVC-100?

[Marshalleq]

Hi all, I've been doing my head in with all the opinions on best devices and cables - if only they were easy to get.

One of the ports on the Canopus (which is something I do own) is called Video In (second from left) and it makes me wonder if it's a composite in (i.e. not component). Does anyone know? The manual doesn't say anything about it. I am lucky enough that my VHS player has component out, which could be a nice quality upgrade compared to S-Video, which it also has.

I've tried looking for some composite cables with this particular din style plug on the end, but I don't seem to have managed to find any yet.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks.



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[Marshalleq]

I've just found this on Ali Express - I think it must be an S-Video 7 Pin right?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005434992462.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.105.4...d=idXtGUdCt56P

[dellsam34]

If I remember correctly that is a S-Video input with additional pins for audio. You would need the Canopus special pigtail to be able to use it, It is not component input.

[lollo]

I am lucky enough that my VHS player has component out, which could be a nice quality upgrade compared to S-Video, which it also has.

It is not. The signal stored in VHS tape is Y/C, and should be read and captured as such (few exceptions if internal VCR outputs Y/C after internal processing).

[dellsam34]

Maybe he has one of those combo VHS-DVD players with component out. But still it's a bad idea converting YC to YPbPr in the analog domain, It is better to digitize first and let the ADC do the conversion in the digital domain into YUV.

[Alwyn]

I am lucky enough that my VHS player has component out, which could be a nice quality upgrade compared to S-Video

Practically speaking, there's no difference. I have Component Out on my VHS DVD combo, and the S-video image is as good as the Component image.

[october262]

Hi all, I've been doing my head in with all the opinions on best devices and cables - if only they were easy to get.

One of the ports on the Canopus (which is something I do own) is called Video In (second from left) and it makes me wonder if it's a composite in (i.e. not component). Does anyone know? The manual doesn't say anything about it. I am lucky enough that my VHS player has component out, which could be a nice quality upgrade compared to S-Video, which it also has.

I've tried looking for some composite cables with this particular din style plug on the end, but I don't seem to have managed to find any yet.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks.



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see this PDF guide page 10/20 - https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/917hQiDdZ9L.pdf

The back of the unit has ports for both
S-Video and composite output, as well as
a 6-pin IEEE 1394 input/output. There is
also an additional S-Video input and
Audio In, which uses a standard mini-jack
interface. For best results, you should use
the S-Video composite conversion table
included in the package. possible this cable - https://www.ebay.com/itm/266285944337?hash=item3dffe10e11:g:CFkAAOSw0ztkfUXf&amdata=en...Bk9SR4yA1ra-Yg

[lollo]

Maybe he has one of those combo VHS-DVD players with component out. But still it's a bad idea converting YC to YPbPr in the analog domain, It is better to digitize first and let the ADC do the conversion in the digital domain into YUV.

Yes. Some player outputs the Y/C and component after digitizing the Analog signal internally because TBC and N.R. operation. In that case better use component, but that's the exception, and probably not the case for the OP's Combo player (but we do not know the device he's using).

[Marshalleq]

Hi all, thanks for all the replies, very helpful. It's a Philips DVP3050V/75. Interestingly it supposedly converts the individual fields to Progressive, I'm not sure how I feel about that - I guess it depends on how good it does it and also reading around a lot of people say it doesn't work on the VHS part. However, it states on their product page the following:

"Progressive Scan component video for optimized image quality
Progressive Scan doubles the vertical resolution of the image resulting in a noticeably sharper picture. Instead of sending a field comprising the odd lines to the screen first, followed by the field with the even lines, both fields are written at one time. A full image is created instantaneously, using the maximum resolution. At such a speed, your eye perceives a sharper picture with no line structure."

To me that sounds more like VHS than DVD, but could be wrong as I know the earlier DVD's were often interlaced.

Anyway, I previously bought an Elgato USB Video Capture card and did all the tapes with composite, which refused to go higher than 480 pixels for my PAL region which was annoying, and I forgot I had this lovely device in the cupboard, so thought I'd do it all again properly this time. I bought the player second hand because I was looking for something that supported S-Video and figured if it doesn't work out I'll just find another one. Some of them are quite expensive and this one wasn't. The pictures on the auction site showed the component outputs which don't seem to appear on their product page. I ordered some of those cables, but it sounds like it's not a good idea anyway. Also, I am assuming the direct to DVD is a bad idea and better to use the ADVC-100 with OBS or something. I have Davinci Resolve too, but it doesn't seem to detect the Canopus.

Thanks for all your help.

Edit: It actually looks like both the component and even S-Video is DVD only, the picture wasn't very clear. That will be disappointing if S-Video doesn't work.

[dellsam34]

Looking at the user manual, S-Video and component are for DVD out only, VCR has only composite out.

[Marshalleq]

Yeah, seems like it. I actually already have a VHS player that does that, oh well! Looking around it looks like S-Video is hard to get - all of the units I thought did it, only seem to do it for DVD. There are some S-VHS players on eBay, however I don't know if they'll use S-Video for standard VHS. Maybe I should not worry about it, it's just that S-Video is supposed to be quite a bit more clear.

[lollo]

Interestingly it supposedly converts the individual fields to Progressive, I'm not sure how I feel about that - I guess it depends on how good it does it and also reading around a lot of people say it doesn't work on the VHS part.

Even if working it would be an inferior option.

Capture VHS in its nature, from Y/C to TBC-corrected interlaced lossless YUV 4:2:2 720x576(480). Do all the rest in postprocessing.