Editing Karaoke MPEG

[vincegfan]

First let me say that this is a very helpful Forum and you have helped me lots recently and I want you to know how much I appreciate it.
Thanks to your help, I have some Karaoke Multiplex VCD's that I have successfully removed the guide vocals from and converted from .dat files to mpeg files. However, I noticed that some of the words in the Karaoke video are incorrect. Is there a way I can edit these mpeg files to correct the wrong song lyrics?

[hech54]

Unless you can turn the lyrics on and off in the MPEG file......no.

[vincegfan]

Not able to turn on & off, so I guess I am SOL!!

[hech54]

Yes.....SOL. The lyrics are burned into the video. Nothing you can do about it.

[budwzr]

There's no simple way to do it. It's subtitling, and it's very tedious and aggravating.

[vincegfan]

I don't mind tedious and aggravating, it there really is a way to edit the subtitling.

[manono]

Well, if it's really subtitles and not burned into the video, then you demux the subs, OCR into some text-based sub format, edit them any way you like, and then stick them back into the DVD. Not difficult in principle if you know what you're doing, but it can be a whole lot of work.

But, you say they're MPEG files and since MPEGs don't support selectable subs the way DVDs do, then I guess what you want to do can't be done. What happens when you open one of the songs in VDubMod? Do you see the text? If so, it's burned into the video and can't be edited.

[vincegfan]

I opened one of the files up in VDUBMOD and I do see the text, so I guess I can't edit. The MPEG files were originally .DAT files from a VCD if that makes any difference in whether or not I might be able to edit.

[manono]

The MPEG files were originally .DAT files from a VCD if that makes any difference in whether or not I might be able to edit.

Oh right, now I remember. Yes, it does make a difference because VCDs don't have selectable subs, just burned in text. You're out of luck.

[vincegfan]

Well, bummer!! Thanks anyway for taking the time and trying to help.

[budwzr]

You can still overlay new subtitles.

Use a black strip to cover the old stuff.

P.S. You like Vince Gill?

[hech54]

Vince is cool.

[budwzr]

Vince is cool.

And one hell of a ghee-tar player.

[vincegfan]

Sounds like a do-able work around to put a black strip on old subtitles and re-do them with the correct lyrics. However, that is way beyond my comprehension and you would have to explain to me what software to use and how to do it. Yes, my login name has to do with how big a fan I am of Vince Gill. I have been amazed by the man since about 1989. I have had the wonderful opportunity to meet him 6 times and he is not only a triple talent (singer, songwriter, intrumentalist), but also a very warm genuinely nice person. I have seen him in concert about 25 times in about 6 different States and hope I can see him again many more times.

[vincegfan]

On a related note....no pun intended....but this is more an audio question. The VCD that I copied these .DAT files from is un-repairably scratched and a couple of the video and audio files are therefore, messed up a bit. Anyway to repair them? Especially, a few loud pops that show up as spikes in the audio file when I use Audacity and I can't seem to figure out how to get rid of them.

[jman98]

Sounds like a do-able work around to put a black strip on old subtitles and re-do them with the correct lyrics.

Not really. I've been bitching in another thread about this kind of answer. See, around here we have a lot of true experts, but what some of them forget is that at one time they were exactly as you were and they had to spend MONTHS trying stuff and learning. So to these people everything is "easy" because they don't remember the hard work to get to where they are now and they basically tell everybody who comes here something akin to, "Why yes, you certainly can walk in off the street with no prior knowledge or training and do brain surgery. Here's your scalpel and your text book." Based on your posts, you're not ready to do this kind of work. Hell, even if you knew how you might think it was more work than it was worth. I really wish that some of our members would understand that when they say "you CAN do it" what they should have said is something like "The task is possible, but it's complicated and time consuming and currently above your ability to do so". What new members take from "can" is something like "This task is crazy easy and in about 5 minutes with no training at all you can completely do this". You're looking at many HOURS of work to do this. So many hours that it really may not be worth it to you.

[hech54]

I've been collecting Vince's early music videos recently. NOT an easy task let me tell you.

[budwzr]

I don't think it's that difficult to obtain a good basic NLE and fool around with it for a while on your own. I would liken that to coming to school prepared for class. No pencil, no paper, no book, no-no. hahaha.

So for the new subtitling:

Convert your media to a higher bitrate of the same codec, then you will have "upsampled" to a working copy. Put the media on the timeline.

Create a simple black box that covers the longest piece of translations. Put that on the next track above and align/crop visually.

Next, put on headphones and create text. Put that on the very top track.

Voila! Render back to the original codec, or to something else.

[budwzr]

I've been collecting Vince's early music videos recently. NOT an easy task let me tell you.

Hey, we're OT, but I got all the old Eric Clapton Guitar Festival concerts. Everything from B.B. to Johnny Winter.

[vincegfan]

Well, jman98 you may be right, cuz I have no idea how to do what budwzr is trying to tell me to do. You may have pegged it right that it is beyond my current expertise. Any response to my post about correction to the scratched disc file audio and video?
Hey, hech54 I have ALL the videos Vince ever made, so if there are some you want and can't find, let me know and maybe we can work out a way I can get them to you.

[budwzr]

Well, jman98 you may be right, cuz I have no idea how to do what budwzr is trying to tell me to do.

Hahaha, you say it's a Karaoke song? Can't be too long. Post a copy with new lyrics, and I'll put it together, and polish the whole project up if possible.

Just type the lyrics into a text file, as a second attachment. Or, you can make the actual blocks of text and the duration, then there's little chance of error on my side.

[poisondeathray]

What's wrong with the drummer's face in that pic ? Caption the pic .....

[poisondeathray]

On a related note....no pun intended....but this is more an audio question. The VCD that I copied these .DAT files from is un-repairably scratched and a couple of the video and audio files are therefore, messed up a bit. Anyway to repair them? Especially, a few loud pops that show up as spikes in the audio file when I use Audacity and I can't seem to figure out how to get rid of them.

Did you try any other recovery software to get as much possible from the disc? e.g. isobuster, etc. ..

[vincegfan]

Hey budwzr, thanks for the offer to help. I am working on getting the lyrics typed up in a text file and thought I'd underline the ones that need to be corrected. Will try to get the mpeg file and txt file posted later tonight.

[vincegfan]

I tried isobuster, but it does not seem to support the original .DAT files on the original VCD. Is there some other software program I could try to get a better copy off the original disc?

[vincegfan]

The way I orginally converted the .DAT files to MPEG files was using vcdgear. However, when it came to the one or two tracks on each disc where it is scratched up, the program just hung up and wouldn't continue its process.

[budwzr]

What's wrong with the drummer's face in that pic ? Caption the pic .....

Didn't notice that guy until you mentioned it. All I know is he ain't posin', that's for sure.

I'm trying to help a member, so I hope you don't throw another GIF on me, and force me to defend myself. But if you do, I'll be ready. I'm bringing in Michael Jackson to crush you next time. Beware.

Moonwalkin' on your monk... a$$... ! Hahaha

[hech54]

Hey, hech54 I have ALL the videos Vince ever made, so if there are some you want and can't find, let me know and maybe we can work out a way I can get them to you.

Do you mean the original CMT (MTV - VH1 style) music videos?

[vincegfan]

Yes!

[vincegfan]

Ok attached is the mpg and .doc text file (I used MS word pad). After seeing all the wrong lyrics I think you will agree with me that whoever added the lyrics to this song did NOT know how to speak English!! Thanks for the help! How do I know if the files uploaded ok?