Editing Karaoke MPEG

[hech54]

Yes!

How many did he do(aside from that VHS videotape)?
I've got 4 so far.
If You Ever Have Forever In Mind
Liza Jane
Look At Us
When I Call Your Name
.....all 720x480 MPG

[vincegfan]

I will have to go count all the videos I have, but there are a lot of them over the years. Are you only interested in the really old ones or from the beginning to current?

[hech54]

I will have to go count all the videos I have, but there are a lot of them over the years. Are you only interested in the really old ones or from the beginning to current?

Just the "music videos - from CMT or VH1. Official release DVDs and VHS I don't worry about. Anyone can get those on Ebay.

[hech54]

What's wrong with the drummer's face in that pic ? Caption the pic .....

That's Billy Thomas. He played with the Little River Band for a while too.

[budwzr]

How do I know if the files uploaded ok?

Umm...they show up in your post.

Did you use "Go Advanced", and upload the files? (normal) Or something else? (abnormal)

I'll look for it again tomorrow. Bedtime for Bonzo. Zzzzz.....

[vincegfan]

Ok, I think there are 19 more official music videos other than the 4 you have: A Little More Love, Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing (with Gladys Knight), Blue Christmas, Don't Let Our Love Start Slippin' Away, Feels Like Love, Go Rest High On That Mountain, Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, The Heart Won't Lie (with Reba McEntire), House Of Love (with Amy Grant), I Still Believe In You, Never Knew Lonely, Next Big Thing, One More Last Chance, Pocket Full Of Gold, The Reason Why, Tryin' To Get Over You, What The Cowgirls Do, When Love Finds You, and You And You Alone.

[hech54]

Ok, I think there are 19 more official music videos other than the 4 you have: A Little More Love, Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing (with Gladys Knight), Blue Christmas, Don't Let Our Love Start Slippin' Away, Feels Like Love, Go Rest High On That Mountain, Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, The Heart Won't Lie (with Reba McEntire), House Of Love (with Amy Grant), I Still Believe In You, Never Knew Lonely, Next Big Thing, One More Last Chance, Pocket Full Of Gold, The Reason Why, Tryin' To Get Over You, What The Cowgirls Do, When Love Finds You, and You And You Alone.

At least I now have a list........thank you!
Send me a PM.....or I'll send you one if you can't find the PM button.

[vincegfan]

OOPs, Don't know what I did wrong, maybe closed the upload window before it was done or something stupid like that. I will try again to attached to this post and see what happens......DUH
Still didn't work and I got this message?
vincegfan, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

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[vincegfan]

One more try before I give up trying to upload these files.

[jman98]

Ok attached is the mpg and .doc text file (I used MS word pad). After seeing all the wrong lyrics I think you will agree with me that whoever added the lyrics to this song did NOT know how to speak English!!

Of course. Karaoke VCDs are all made in Asia, most likely in South Korea or Japan. Lyrics are done by non-native speakers hired to listen and make their best guesses. My personal favorite is how the old Tommy Roe song "Sheila" has a line that says "I feel funny inside" and to the Japanese person tasked with writing down the lyrics this somehow became "I feel pony inside".

I don't know of a program that can deal with your problems on the VCD. VCD format uses some of the redundant areas on a CD that would be used for error correction with audio CD as normal storage so that more video can fit on the disc. So that means that VCD inherently has less error correcting than an audio CD would. Maybe our resident VCD expert, Cornucopia, knows if there is any program you can use to try to handle these bad parts on your VCD.

[budwzr]

One more try before I give up trying to upload these files.

I can't open that "Doc" file. Can you just use NotePad? Plain text?

[jman98]

One more try before I give up trying to upload these files.

I can't open that "Doc" file. Can you just use NotePad? Plain text?

How can you not open this? Even Libre Office should handle this fine. I will send you the lyrics in a PM.

[budwzr]

One more try before I give up trying to upload these files.

I can't open that "Doc" file. Can you just use NotePad? Plain text?

How can you not open this? Even Libre Office should handle this fine. I will send you the lyrics in a PM.

OK, got it, thanks.

[budwzr]

Here's an example of how it will look. I used grey instead of black because it's a predominant color in the video.



Does that font work?

This still is the actual resolution of your video. And it's using non-square pixels, I suppose VCD standards, I'm not too familiar with this vintage stuff. I do admire how the lowly VCD quickly spread across the world and let the unwashed masses eat their cake too. hahaha.

The audio has several distortions, but they're contained in very short bursts so easy to deal with. I will use the built-in Vegas audio tools. I'm not a pro, like others here, so lets call this a "first pass", hahaha.

I'm going to colorize a little more. The black box is "before". There is heavy pixelation, aka blocking, so not too many options, as far as restoration, but others here probably know better.



This is the smallest black cover. It just barely covers existing.

[Cornucopia]

Ok attached is the mpg and .doc text file (I used MS word pad). After seeing all the wrong lyrics I think you will agree with me that whoever added the lyrics to this song did NOT know how to speak English!!

Of course. Karaoke VCDs are all made in Asia, most likely in South Korea or Japan. Lyrics are done by non-native speakers hired to listen and make their best guesses. My personal favorite is how the old Tommy Roe song "Sheila" has a line that says "I feel funny inside" and to the Japanese person tasked with writing down the lyrics this somehow became "I feel pony inside".

I don't know of a program that can deal with your problems on the VCD. VCD format uses some of the redundant areas on a CD that would be used for error correction with audio CD as normal storage so that more video can fit on the disc. So that means that VCD inherently has less error correcting than an audio CD would. Maybe our resident VCD expert, Cornucopia, knows if there is any program you can use to try to handle these bad parts on your VCD.

Wow! I'm the resident expert? OK, thank you... (guess that can happen with longevity)

BTW, the media payload on both VCD (Mode2, or XAMode2Form2) and AudioCD have just the basic levels of error correction (NZRI and CIRC), whereas Data CDs (Mode1) and the Filesystem portion of VCDs (XAMode2Form1) have the additional level of error correction EXPECTED for lossless-ness of data.

But jman98 is correct in that if there are bad sections, and you can't get a good rip using a tool such as ISOBuster (which correctly understands both Mode2Form2 sectors and correctly extracts them back to standard MPEG), you are STUCK and will have to patch up your corrupted MPEG portions with filler.

Scott

[jman98]

Thanks for the info, Scott. And you do know more about VCD than anybody who regularly responds here.

ISOBuster is a pay tool and it tends to be just about useless in its free mode. At least that has been my experience. If the OP is very lucky it may possibly tell him if it can do a good rip, but he'll have to buy it to get that rip. Otherwise "you pays your money and you takes your chances".

[budwzr]

I need ALL the lyrics so I can do a uniform solution. It's easier for me too. I burned one just now, to relax, and brain went on holiday.

Another thing is that the text gets animated to the beat of the music by highlighting. I can replicate that as well, but I was thinking maybe in a new way.

I'll wait for that text file.

[vincegfan]

I didn't send the file as just .txt because I underlined all the words that needed to be fixed and that would be lost if I sent it as plain text. I converted the .doc file to .pdf and am sending it now. If you use Windows 7 or Word you should be able to open up the original .doc file using either Word Pad (in Windows 7 accessories) or Word. Anyway, here is a pdf file of the lyrics. Thanks for all your help. I tried to use isobuster but the .dat files on the VCD is not listed as one of the compatible formats that the program reads. Are there any other programs out there that will help me get a better copy of the .dat files on the VCD>

[vincegfan]

OOPs forgot to attach the file...here it is

[vincegfan]

Karaoke VCDs are all made in Asia, most likely in South Korea or Japan. Lyrics are done by non-native speakers hired to listen and make their best guesses

Well that sure explains it!! The song is by Janet Jackson, called "Whoops Now" and she sort of slurs her words in the original music recording. No wonder they didn't know the correct words to put to the karaoke.

[vincegfan]

Thanks Cornucopia (Scott) for trying to help. I downloaded the trial version of isobuster, but the .Dat files on the VCD are not lised as a type of file that the program reads. However, based on what you posted it sure seems like it should be a type it reads. Any suggestions?

[jman98]

The website for ISOBuster specifically states it can recover VCDs.

[budwzr]

I didn't send the file as just .txt because I underlined all the words that needed to be fixed and that would be lost if I sent it as plain text.

I got it.

[vincegfan]

Hey Budwzr, I got isobuster to work, so before you do too much more work, I might be able to get you a better rip of that mpg file to work with. Also, would having the original music mp3 help you put the words in the right place to the music in the video? I can send that to you too. Again! thanks for all your help, time and effort!!

[Cornucopia]

IF you go to ISOBuster's site, and the product description page, about 1/2 way down the page it says

Mpg (*.dat) Extraction and dat2mpg 'in one' from SVCD and VCD.

How much more explicit can you be?

Plus, @jman98, I believe it has full capability to extract DAT-to-MPEG even for the free version. However, I would say that paying for it is worth every penny in the long run.

Scott

Edit: now, if you've ALREADY attempted to rip the .DAT file from the VCD to your Harddrive via standard filesystem means, you've defeated the opportunity to extract it correctly, and neither ISOBuster, nor most other apps will be of help to you. I have a couple of old Win98 apps in my personal archives that can correctly do this on a file-by-file basis (when they're already ripped and saved to harddrive), but it won't be quick for me to find, nor easy for you to work with, as the nomenclature is very CD-ROM sector jargon specific.

[vincegfan]

Thanks Scott. When I first opened the IsoBuster program up after installing it, the program shows the files it is compatible with and .dat was not listed so from that I thought it wouldn't help with my VCD. But I guess the list in the program is not comprehensive and I just tried the program and it worked great on one track and not so great on another. The one track came to 3 sectors it couldn't read and retry didn't work, so I told it to ignore.....is that what I should do?

I am assuming you mean using IsoBuster on a .dat file on your harddrive vs ripping using IsoBuster from a .dat file on the original VCD? I am using the program to rip from the orginal scratched VCDs

[Cornucopia]

Yes (you should be extracting STRAIGHT off the VCD), and IIRC, you should be able to tell it how to ignore - skip (no), fill with garbage (maybe) or fill with blanks (probably). You want the filesize & relative sectors to stay the same, so "skip" is not a good option. The "fill" options could possibly be hex-edited to just work on the picture data itself and not the metadata (cutting & pasting from a known-good area for the metadata), though this is a LARGE task.

Scott

edit: if you DID have the paid version, you could attempt a multiple-drive ISO-backup (they use the .IBQ/.IBP extensions) and then do the extraction from that. Would likely improve your chances of getting a good rip.

[budwzr]

Hey Budwzr, I got isobuster to work, so before you do too much more work, I might be able to get you a better rip of that mpg file to work with. Also, would having the original music mp3 help you put the words in the right place to the music in the video? I can send that to you too. Again! thanks for all your help, time and effort!!

Sure.

I'm not working hard, don't worry. Hahaha. I'm lazy.

[poisondeathray]

So Vince Gill became Janet Jackson and now she's a white girl ???


Just throwing it out there - but another option is to just redo it using a youtube music video as the starting point (unless for some reason the white dancing girl is what you want). It' s clean, so you can do your own karaoke subs instead of "covering up" existing subs. One version the length is the same so you can swap out the audio (or maybe you want to keep the original audio)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgphUWPSOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgwoSYh0Ipw

[budwzr]

[QUOTE=poisondeathray;2198233]So Vince Gill became Janet Jackson and now she's a white girl ???

Hey, that's a good point. WTF. Unless that's OP's relative. P.S. I'm only on line four.